RMT and all that goes around it

In light of the new and controversial decision of banning Gdkp’s in SoD, with people standing on both sides of the barricade, let’s actually get a perspective on the real issue that this decision is based on: Real Money Transfers, aka RMT’s, which translates (but is not exclusive) to players buying Gold from third parties using real money, a practice that goes against the game’s Terms of Service (ToS) and is, thus, a bannable offense.

It is indeed true that Gdkp’s will, to an extent, and in multiple cases, be associated with RMT’s. On that regard, banning Gdkp’s does seem like a good choice. In this topic I’ll try to explore all that RMT’s convey, besides and along this obvious question of Gdkp’s.

To start with, however, we have to take the broader perspective: Gold.
When purchasing Gold, the player is actually potentially purchasing access to anything and everything that can be acquired through that said Gold. This includes:

  • Levelling boosts.
    When I played Classic in 2020, I have to admit I was a little shocked to see Mages advertise Maraudon boost runs at 40-50gold per run. I was given a little bit of gold by a friend when I started playing Classic, but I had nowhere near enough to support that kind of expenditure. I can, however, see how purchasing gold would make it “easier” in that regard.
  • (the obvious) Raid boosts/Loot purchases.
    I quit playing retail at a certain point, when the Trade chat (now Service chat) started being flooded with ads of players selling stuff like Ahead of the Curve achievs for literally Millions of gold, and every end game content seemed to be purchasable through the expenditure of some real Euros/Dollars. This is where Gdkp’s come into play. While one could, technically, farm those millions of gold to get boosted, it’s “easier” and definitely faster to just, as many like to say, “swipe the card” and magically receive the gold necessary to do so, along with the gear/achievs/mounts included in them.
  • Auction House items
    This could literally be anything that is put up for sale at the AH, from simple reagents to equipment, Bags, Mounts, etc.
  • Any other service or activity that may require you to spend gold.
    As an example, the Paladin Charger quest chain requires you to spend a flat 150g on one of the quests (or in general, any mount or mount training). Likewise, tier 0.5 also requires healthy amounts of gold to be spent in order for the items to be acquired. Tanks have always been the hardest role to find in WoW, and it is not that rare to see a Tank player sell his services in exchange for gold. Some hard PvP’ers sometimes sell Arena rating boosts for Gold. All of these quests and activities that in one way or another may require you to spend gold could potentially have a link to RMT’s (it’s “easier” to buy that gold and not have to worry about farming those 150g for the Charger quest).

Gold is >THE< main source of development in WoW, and the vast majority of the things you can do will require Gold to be accomplished (even if you consider making a Potion while you have Alchemy and Herbalism, those mats have a Gold value, and while you may farm them, you could also just farm Gold by killing mobs and vendoring the grays, and buy those mats from someone else or from the AH using that same Gold).
Popular streamers, while doing Guild runs of certain raids, have sometimes displayed players (usually within their Guild) offer Gold to get certain items that dropped, either to the Guild Leader/Master Looter or to the winner of the Roll. It is not an uncommon practice for someone to try to convince another player to give up a certain item in exchange for Gold, since technically, Gold can be transformed into a lot of different things (listed above). This, in the end, means that dealing with RMT’s can be a herculean task.

So how should this issue be addressed, is the question that has naturally been asked countless times, both by players and GMs alike. To answer this question, the first and most important step, in my opinion, is to get data.
Blizzard GMs often claim to ban several thousand bot accounts at once. I believe one important step to be taken when these accounts get detected, is to get numbers on those accounts. How much gold was made by each account, and how long was the account actively farming? How was that gold acquired, and what were the methods used to farm it? How much of that Gold left the account, and where did it go?
I am sure Blizzard has ways of tracking these things. When my account was hacked back in OG WotLK, GMs tracked back everything that had been changed in my account in the time it had been hacked (returning stuff that I myself didn’t even know I had), so I am sure it is definitely possible to do it. Whether the process can be automated or not is another question, and I am no programming expert, but if I had to wager I would bet that it can be. Getting answers to these questions would give devs a wider perspective on how that Gold is essentially made, and how it is moved around. This would, in turn, make patterns easier to notice, leading to developing tools to combat it become easier to do as well.
As important as this is knowing who is buying this Gold. Banning Gdkp’s is definitely a way to discourage players from buying Gold, but it is far from enough to stop the act once and for all. In fact, I would argue that those players will find ways of working around the Gdkp ban (speaking with boosters in private, for example, bypassing the Trade chat restrictions and the eyes of players who would otherwise report them, making them harder to spot). As such, as long as Gold buyers can go around mostly undetected, measures such as banning Gdkp’s will have a very diminished impact, since the act itself (and all that that Gold gives access to) will still seem desirable to an extent that will surely make a considerable amount of the people that buy it, keep on doing it.
I can see a number of reasons for the idea behind this last paragraph not to be taken with good eyes on Blizzard’s side, however. While banning bot accounts is desirable by Blizzard (since it maintains the demand for Gold by not banning the people responsible for that demand, making botting still be a potential source of income for the botters and, by extension, to Blizzard too, since the botters will keep paying for subscriptions), banning Gold buyers will often translate into a direct loss of revenue (if Cheaters can’t cheat in WoW, they will often change to a game where they can Cheat). I believe it is fair to say that, at this point in WoW’s lifetime, it is unlikely that the increase in the number of active players related to these bans on Gold buyers alone will surpass the loss related to the decrease in number of players related to these player bans. But then again, in order for the number of active players to increase in general, a lot has to be done overall, I reckon.
However, if Blizzard has any hopes of taking the game into a longer run than it has, I firmly believe this is an issue that has to be resolved, sooner rather than later. If there was no botting or RMT’s, Gdkp’s would not need to be banned. Players would have a clear conscience that Gold values would not be inflated by illegal activity within game, not just in Gdkp’s, but in all areas where Gold plays a role. Everyone (and I mean everyone) would be ok with Gdkp’s, AH prices, dungeon boosting, etc, and that in itself would lead to a healthier environment all around.
So, if any GM is reading this, I would beg you to take these considerations and concerns (which are not only mine, but of the entire WoW community) to the higher departments, and save the game that me and so many others cherish, and have cherished for so long.
Save World of Warcraft. Before it’s too late.

Cheers, and sorry for the long post.
#insertpotato

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Just more pro GDKP word salad folks, move a long, move a long.

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I gussed that much :joy:

So strange that you then choose to bump the thread that has been inactive for 9 hrs.

Vincetbbc is that you?

yer, 9hrs that’s like really 10 days irl.

I just mean that.

Why bump a thread that is “Just more pro GDKP word salad folks, move a long, move a long.”

Why did chewbacca want this thread back at the top of the page ? and simply by writing “I gussed that much”

It’s like they disagree with the thread but still wants to bump it so it gets more attention.

Very strange

no, pro gdkp’ers need ridiculing at every opportunity !

I think they are a secret Pro-GDKP person, thus bumping threads such as this.

hell no, i cannot understand mentality of people that buy items like that, it’s an anathema to me, it goes against the fundamental core of what an mmorpg is. I hope all these ‘buyers’ all unsub and never darken wow or any other game, ever. Scum is what they are.

You know i am talking about Chéwbacca right ? not you.

They bumped the thread and is probably Pro-GDKP and is just trying to trick people into thinking that they are not.

But they bump threads like this to get them more attention.

Agree GDKP best system.
GG

interesting Post indeed, let me share my experience ( hope i dont get post deleted or silenced for exposing things , like usual )

i run into some people who use BoT to logout/login/ undercut crafting items in AH, players who confessed to me in chat that they are using 1 char to dominate 1 profession.
basically like any other normal player i tried to make some profit from selling couple of crafting items in AH, and i noticed being undercut 24/7 by lvl 1 characters, i inspected them, they are online from 8 am to 3am every single day since i started playing for months,
they are just standing next to an auctioneer with 10x copies of so many items, undercutting all day, i tried to compete with them for a while, they just drop all items prices to low/no profit and activate a BoT ( auto undercut + running from AH to mailbox ) , they just do that to scare you out.
after few days of recording + reporting them BoTing and annoying them on their profit, they started creating lvl 1 alts with similar names of my chars and scam trade any player who is crafting for me, my first ticket i got refunded for the items, after that they refused to refund anything and they did ban the scammer for over 20 days now.
the replies for my tickets was admitting that there is a scammer impersonating me abusing trade scams and they have dealt with him, but until today the same scammer name is logging whenever i type in trade chat " wtb craft service" , he follows me in Org scamming trades.
i recorded these BoTs and scammers many times and reported them ingame and in tickets and 0 reaction.
3 same players are online right now dominating 3 profession in AH, following me around scamming trades.
my latest ticket reply was today :
“”" The trade system is designed to maintain a fair and enjoyable environment for all players, but we recognize that feedback from the community is crucial in refining these policies.
If you would like to share your thoughts with the developers, we encourage you to post on our official forums, where your input can be reviewed and considered for future improvements. Thank you for your understanding and for being a valued part of the community. https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/21518 “”“”

and ticket closed, i made a post here on forum and was deleted within hours.
i dont know what to do

Game has reached the point, that if you delete all RMT, that will make 50% of subscriber loss, do to people that make gold will leave and people who too used to getting it that way, because they won’t play any other way at this point, too boring and long time to farm it.
So too late to “fix” anything.

then let us all BoT and abuse AH, treat us all equal. we are also paying for subs to play the game
RMT and gold sellers are only paying for first sub the rest of gameplay is payed through gold in different expansions with gold swap.

i cannot farm gold ingame, am getting scammed all day losing valuable materials without refund, my posts in forum gets deleted, my web tickets (with video proof ) are being closed, they close the tickets without even checking my video records still 0 views.
what am i supposed to do ? this level of incompetence is unbelievable

mate if you get continuously scammed, that’s on you lol.

i am not a bot, and i have made a fortune selling stuff on AH throughout the season.
get auctionator addon

1- if you read you find out its not me , basically my crafter makes a mistake trading the items to the scammer who is sneaking and trading him. even though i warn them but they fall for it.

and 2- am not gonna comment on that 2 iq statement

You still playing and will be, so you dont care about them actually
Find farm, buy gold, or play poor. You have no other option by now.

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90% of people are buying gold to be clear either due to not enough time to farm or not able to, but that is a risk of perma ban
sometimes you just need couple of thousand gold, why am i not able to make it legit ingame and risk getting banned ? why isnt it there a decent environment to make gold ingame?
tailor / blacksmith / enchant crafts are all dominated by lvl 1 gold sellers

The problem is, that you dont wanna accept fact to play with not good gear, not high end content and doesn’t have something.
Your premise is literally “i will leave game cuz i dont have enough ingame gold”, wtf, part of game is being poor and build character, people forgot about thi. Now all played different game only high-end raid, with reserve items in dungeon, only bis pvp specs with engi or with R14 rank, ofc you will need alot of gold, and you will not have time for all of this.
Be poor and play game with poor character, what is the problem?