Did you like… try playing it yourself? Here is my POV:
Was at STV event a few times, with a group (never was able to find an available healer, that’s the first thing) and solo as well. Always ends up like this:
I get close, or my teammate rogues (we were 4 + hunter) get close, they get caught in some AoE or Flare, revealing them and getting deleted in a few seconds.
2 rogues jumped on a ranged and others tried to make some space, and a warrior charged at us and feared away, meanwhile, we got DoTs, and stuns,… when we got someone, we had vanish on cooldown, stealth on cooldown, or active combat, and could not get back to stealth… some people came on mounts and just killed us.
You know people in STV have strats to prevent rogues from jumping on them mindlessly.
Sadly I never met a group of noobs that don’t have. Every 1v1 attempt in STV I had ended up being a 5v1 (stealth ferals and rogues protecting the bait).
When I succeeded in killing someone in 1v1, then someone just noticed I am on low HP and jumped on me or casted a single starsurge and ofc with 5 min vanish cooldown it’s hard to hide.
It’s not about being the best, but about having at least a little chance. There is no 1v1 content in SoD yet. While other people can farm hundreds of coins in a single event I can farm maybe 30 on average, my record was 70 something. Now how is that balanced…
Dude, this is exactly the question you must ask yourself. You should reread your topic and your answers, and then ask yourself “Why I’m even posting this?”. Probably you’re playing some different imaginative SOD (noone can play, but you) or just trying to troll (very dull).
And if you started this weird topic to prevent rogue nerf, you did the opposite: literally noone agreed with you and you just collected a bunch of complaints how rogue is OP and must be nerfed.
I play Rogue for the first time and am barely able to win some duels due to my skill, if I want something it is to get it to be more noob friendly, instead of nerfing.
I played lots of other classes in the past on pre-cata expansions and they were A LOT easier to PvP than Rogue is.
Rogue has a pretty big toolbox to do stuff in 1v1 PvP, that’s a fact… no one can deny that. But to use them requires a certain amount of skill and experience, unlike for example mages, shadow priests, druids, warlocks, or paladins. Cant say about Shaman, never played it.
To all that, blizzard gave pretty strong runes (in the context of PvP) to already pretty easy-to-play classes like those mentioned above.
When those classes group up in a PvP event, rogues can not even hold a candle unless they possess the required skills and experience.
1 warrior with 1 disco priest can destroy 5 players (seen in WSG multiple times).
Seen a similar combo with feral druid, tanking, and taking down 3-4 players.
Never seen rogue do that, because he is squishy as hell!
Now rogues have shadowstep… which is one of the strongest skills for PvP for rogues.
Rogues can literally kill you while you are perma stunned.
Rogues can just use vanish an escape if they think they are not going to win.
I have friends playing level 31 rogues oneshooting level 40 mages, and owning level 40 warriors too (and shamans, druids, warlocks, priests). Hell, rogues can even do 2vs1 or 3 vs 1 because of blinds, vanish, evasions.
If you say rogues are bad in pvp is purely skill issues or you have the wrong build, which is also skills issues for not getting informed properly about how to play your class. If is too hard for you respect to a different class and you will see…
Rogues have always been terrible at large scale pvp. You have to pick your fights or rather stay away from the main battle. In STV you either zerg with a big group or pick your fights carefully, cheesing stray enemies, abusing CC, jumping into other fights to unbalance them. You can’t expect the class to play like a warrior, that’s the trade-off of being a CC god.
Rogue is only good if you get the opener, this is even more true in classic where we can’t heal and reset easily. You have to be very patient, stay in stealth while others are fighting, using imp gouge and stuns defensively if you need, don’t waste vanish.
I mean this is obvious stuff to veteran rogues but if you’re newer to rogue and used to other melee classes rogue is nothing like them. You need a strategy to deal with every class, and always be aware of your surroundings and have an escape if you need it. Can’t just faceroll 2 buttons like other melee.
your friends probably played rogue all their life. for me, it’s my first time.
All I am saying, for example today, a druid just rooted me from long range, had my CD on sprint and vanish to free myself, he casted starcrap on me, then a few moon fires and I was dead. Why I was visible to him? I was in combat and even if I weren’t, still had a CD to stealth.
What druid skill do you need to have to do that? Not much…
The point is that some classes are easy to play due to casting 2-3 spells from range and having no 5-minute cooldowns, while Rogue requires a full toolkit of 10 abilities to do something with great strategy and skill.
If I use all my stuns on someone and have cooldowns and my target is not dead yet (so I am in combat) please, tell me, how do I prevent others from destroying me?
If %s class gets ganked:
Warrior, can fear also tanky, can charge away at someone who is in a less crowded spot. Priest, can fear (every 30 sec!). Mage, can nova, blink. Hunter, is probably dead. Shaman earthbind run away plus tanky plus can heal. Druid, rejuv, bear, charge. Paladin, bubble heal run or fight. Rogue: uses vanish to do some more combo things and wait for some cooldown BUT someone just uses some AoE to prevent that and he’s dead.
From all the mentioned classes, rogues and hunters are at the bottom of the list when it comes to “you get jumped on by 2-3 people, what do you do?”
lets not speak about other weak class abilities like:
First of all , rogues aint the strongest class 1 on 1 Even. They never were. Second with rank 5 it will Get Even Worse. Every class got A dot. And the other this is how many 1on1 do u see in STV? And Yeah Ring from BFD for stealth detection and human racial.
Almost every dagger got A proc that breaks our Cc !
These forums are just one of the kind :d
Then there are comments like - why blizz do not listen to majority?
majority playing game happily and minority moaning together in forums as usual.
Again someone that reads the title and not the post. 1v1 yes. 1v1 where 5 jumps on you (making it 1v6) in STV battle royale or WSG. NO!
Examples from WSG/STV:
Scenario 1:
You jump on the priest, stunlock it. warrior charges on you and stuns you, priest uses fear (to disperse you and the team that tries to help you), warrior keeps damaging, you come out of fear, warrior uses fear (again, you and your teammates are feared) => rogue dead, your team dead.
If you rogue manages to vanish, he is still dead because DoTs from priest and warriors bleed will reveal you in a milisecond.
Seems like rogue is very strong 1v2 right? All those very smart people commenting here.
Scenario 2:
You jump into the fight, everyone “ROGUE”, 3 spellcasters focus you with instant 400+ dmg crits, meanwhile, hunters pet arrive on you, and just in case warrior charges. Again, rogue dead.
Scenario 3:
There is none except 2 enemies nearby in a 1000yard range, rogue saps warrior, kills priest, vanishes, kills warrior.
Did you see ever a fight in STV blood moon or WSG where there is none nearby to help them?
