This is something time will show, also you don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, nor does the majority.
? Right.
On topic:
I dont think that banning Russians on WoW is a good idea tbh. They just want to play the game. Sure, they are owning AV hard but thats because they are maining the same strategy for years, even sometimes with 0 deaths that is susp but okay.
To counter this issue, Blizzard should just mix the Russian and EU with bgs. Its happening with Retail.
What? Make a proper sentence. You don’t like their wording? Did you pay attention to the wording of other countries in similar situations?
Turkey comes to mind.
https://www.techradar.com/vpn/websites-online-services-blocked-turkey-facebook-wikipedia
No. That’s simply not true.
You can look it up for yourself. As example: RT was banned in February while Russia blocked Facebook in March.
It’s a war of information but the huge difference is we claim to be a democracy, yet we are not allowed to use every source we want.
Same goes for Russia? Not all EU stuff is blocked?
Ouch. Turkey is not in the EU.
Sure, call them! I remember some slaughtering in Syria by the NATO and they announced to be sorry. Russia never said sorry for anything. Let alone taking down MH17.
They were under heavy constrictions before the invasion aswell amigo. Just look it up.
Sounds like your high IQ has abandoned you tonight. Get some rest and leave the discussion since it derailed a lot. The fact that u dont respond on the topic in my previous post is enough said
Well, technically true, they are just in NATO. EU = NATO (while there are obviously more countries in NATO) for me, sorry for this I guess?
Got a bit mixed since EU currently plans to “soft-ban” Facebook themselves.
So you want them to say sorry? What’s the point of starting a war based on a lie (like Serbia), knowing it yourself and then apologizing for that? Kinda duplicitous.
Nice story. So let’s even pretend I am wrong all along… Don’t we look at Russia as some sort of a dictatorship? So we would kinda expect something like that, right? But aren’t we the free people who live in a democracy? Why exactly are we not allowed to use the sources we like? Not a bit contradicting?
Oh and just saying but Ukraine banned Russian language and parties way before the invasion. Is that democratic? Reminds me a bit of Germany back in the days. Are we really supposed to support this kind of “democracy”? But then again, after the statement of Baerbock or the Germans asking for resources in Katar, I am not sure anymore how the western moral compass is supposed to work.
Ok, buddy, all you have provided here are just russian talking points. To the letter what foreign versions of RT and Sputnik have been producing daily for years in order to sow dissent. I’ve been seeing these with increased intensity ever since 2013/14. Sad to see how effective dumb deflections, strawmen, relativization, whataboutism actually are. You might think you’re approaching this critically, but you have fallen into the same pit so many people who think how smart they are before you. The truth is not relative, and while it might be hidden sometimes, it’s always there. However not on the side of those like Putin and Lavrov who can’t even keep their lies consistent, where the new lies contradict the previous ones.
All you did immediatelly from the get-go was trying the good old whataboutism with Iraq. I don’t know if you can’t work with context or you think we are so dumb we don’t care about it, but nice try, albeit not very effective. Serbia is a bit unusual I must say, but you’re not gonna BS us here with that one in order to derail this even more. Fallacies don’t deserve to be dignified with a proper answer.
All of this is extraordinally funny tho for somebody claiming they have 147 IQ 
Let me tell you a little secret, actually smart people don’t have the need to flaunt it, they know they are smart, it’s always those making the number up for some reason that have the need to tell others, probably because of some insecurities, who knows.
The most funny however from all of this is claiming that EU also banned some social media, therefor they are not better than Russia in this regard. And when asked which country you reply with Turkey Aka the Asian country led by an islamistic autocrat. And when caught BSing us yet again you go with EU = NATO followed by more made up stuff and more whataboutism. Like what is there even left to say that won’t be a gigantic waste of time even more so than it already has.
So what’s your point? Politicians lie? Should have at least named a few examples.
It’s kinda easy to accuse someone of something while not bringing anything up.
Again, what’s your point? I simply explained that you can’t accuse Russia of something the west didn’t do themselves. You just come with “whataboutism”. Since when did it become ok to throw stones when sitting in a glass house? That’s just stupid.
Ahhh… I see… “you are wrong but I am not gonna tell you why”
Classic. I almost didn’t expect this. Absolutely new, almost.
Ye, I am sorry you got me there. I named a NATO country instead of an EU country at around 4 am. My bad. Yet you still fail to explain why it’s ok for a democratic country to ban platforms while it’s not for a “dictatorship”. Very, very weird double standards.
Such a huge wall of text, yet you literally didn’t even pick ONE point from my previous comment towards you. We all know why. You have nothing to say because you can’t. Yes, a war is bad but you don’t know all the reasons why Russia is doing it, nor do I. What we do know is that America started a countless amount of wars and robbed many countries, NATO is not innocent neither and it’s not a surprise you don’t want them at your boarder with such a significant geographical advantage.
(just like Americans didn’t want Russians in Cuba, shocking…)
But hey… I guess it’s just ok when “we” do wrong but when others react to it, it’s a big no-no, hm? They gotta suck it up and let us do whatever we want.
What? What double standards? Turkey is not a democratic country, it’s an autocracy. The fact Turkey is in NATO has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. And yes, if Belgium or Denmark banned Twitter and Facebook it would be equally bad, but they’re not doing it, are they? What EU countries banned were foreign versions of Russian state owned media spreading nothing but russian propaganda as part of their hybrid-war against EU while they wage an actual war on our borders.
I am not obliged to react to any of your false points. It’s futile. I’ve seen people trying to bring Iraq and whatnot into discussions about Russian unjust aggression so many times and it always plays out the same. Smarter and more well-spoken people than I am debunked every single one of your fallacies in the past months and years, brought historical and political context into why for example Ukraine and Iraq are not the same cases, and it had zero effect on people like you. You just keep going acting like you’re smarter than everybody else while getting so many basic things wrong it’s baffling. Nothing I’ll say is gonna get through anyway, so…
Case in point, text-book whataboutism, almost to the letter. “Russian war bad, but what about those USA wars, why are we not talking about those.” The topic is current russian aggression, not past american one. Doesn’t even matter that Russia has started more wars ever since WW1 than USA. Your tendency to distract from the discussed topic is the very reason I cba to address your incorrect points, because it ends up like this. And it is not news this sad tactic is used by Russian officials and their propaganda machine and has been used at least ever since the USSR cold-war times.
And with that, this discussion is over, this thread has been deralayed enough.
Exactly these double standards. When Facebook and Twitter is regulated by the west and allow only one opinion, there is no difference.
Interesting take, while NATO training “Ukrainians” at Russian boarders after the convenient regime change in 2014.
Unjust? In what universe is it unjust? America and NATO started wars for LESS.
Feel free to share but indeed Iraq and Ukraine are not the same. Iraq war was completely based on a lie (WMD) which was debunked later. Serbia comes closer to Ukraine and you are free to bring an actual argument, which you still didn’t. Even worse… you literally called the war unjust.
You could try to make an actual argument instead of spamming walls of text with no value.
How convenient to ignore facts and pretend like Russians are the only ones who do “bad things”.
Interesting take. Let’s ignore the fact USA is over 90% of its existence involved in wars. Not a warmonger at all.
I keep it simple for you:
Russia is at war for reasons.
“We” were at wars for less reasons.
Saying Russians are bad but we are somehow “the superior beings”, is plain stupid.
Supporting the most corrupt country in Europe which doesn’t care about democratic values and had the largest Naz1 parades in the past few decades is also just stupid.
Do you mean the Ukraine that has a Jewish president or are we talking about an other Ukraine ?
Part of the problem here is that some Russians are believing the lies put out by Putin. The Russian people have been kept in the dark and fed bullcrap for so long I’m surprised they haven’t turned into mushrooms.
I’ll never understand this brainwashed “argument”. Are you truly denying their existence? Are you not able to look up all the reports by the west from previous years? It’s even on youtube. The poor guy can’t even tell them to wear normal clothes for an official photo for the west…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR7g7uQV2fA
Just like the west believes the western lies.
Now we can enjoy the gas prices, great.
The fact that you can’t answer a simple question speaks volumes.
Just because someone holds a parade in a country has no bearing or relevance as to the political status of said country (please note, here in W EO we can hold parades for whatever reason we want an don’t have to get government approval).
So Putin says he’s not going to invade Ukraine and when he does tries to pass it off as a ‘military operation’ (note, an invasion as a type of military operation) . If that wasn’t a lie what was it ?
Putin’s version of ‘the truth’ seems to come from a world even more divorced from reality that Azeroth.
Your comment about ‘normal clothes’ is laughable, are you really presenting that as a valid argument ?
You somehow assume Ukraine can’t have Naz1s just because he is Jewish… do you know what “Kapo” means? Those were also Jews in CCs literally holding the power of life and death over other prisoners. (basically Jews who killed other Jews)
Furthermore I showed you undeniable evidence of him not even be able to take a photo where Naz1s remove their insignia at least for this one photo. If this doesn’t speak volumes, I don’t know what does.
First of all Naz1 parades are illegal, I thought you knew this.
Second, I am not saying every single person in Ukraine is a Naz1, that’s bs.
What’s the issue exactly? Everyone is lying when they start a war? Just like US “brings democracy” to a country or liberates them. Why are people so obsessed with wording but ONLY when it comes from Putin? What’s the deal?
Excuse me? So the huge parades and all the western reports are irrelevant and the fact that the president can’t make “his” soldiers to wear NOT NAZ1 clothes for a few official photos is not a valid argument? How is that? Did they run out of clothes? Is that what you are trying to say? Really?..
Russian’s are the modern day N*zis, and they’ll go down in history as such.
Personally, I don’t think we should’ve gotten so tied up in that invasion to the point where we would be risking our wealth and prosperity. Atleast not in this manner, sanctions and economic damage for everyone on both sides of the fence…
That said, if the russian’s didn’t have their nuclear bully-baton, they’d been mopped up and wiped aside in a forthnight.
But that’s politics… regarding the game, Russians really shouldn’t be mixed up with the EU players, there’s no valid reason whatsoever to have them play together, even more so in the current ‘climate’. Give them their own personal region or lop them in with the chinese, they have more affinity with them.
Don’t blame people /afk’ing out when they meet RU teams, I’d do it too, if only out of principle.
That said, I’d rather that people afk out if they don’t feel like playing the game and make room for someone that will actually fight, that’s less bothersome than those that just stand arround GY in ghost, take up a slot in the BG and contribute absolutly nothing.
If I think of Naz1 ideology, then I think of people who think they are superior and I think of the CCs. Technically this, at least partially, fits Americans, especially them running Guantanamo where nobody has a say but everyone can get locked up there. Very convenient for the self-proclaimed world police.
True. Now we have to pay for our fake moral standards which we never fulfill anyway when it comes to money.
Aaaand more BS, shocking. You keep distracting from everything said that doesn’t suit your west-hating russia-apologetic agenda and keep coming up with new distractions every time you get caught BSing us. 147 IQ, kek.
Eeeeh, maybe in the universe we actually live in where it’s unjust to guarantee a country against anybody trying to invade them if they give up their nukes and then invading them twice yourself on false pretexts all the while lying to the whole world you’re not invading them as you’re literally invading them? Yeah, totally just war there, mate, so sorry. But oh man, what about those damn USA and NATO!
Riiight, right. Sorry, not sorry for not being arsed to bring actual and totally non-spammy arguments like a democratic EU country Turkey banning social media or EU = NATO. Top value arguments right there. I simply can’t match those.
Joking aside, I tried at the very beginning, but no arguments matter against somebody using only fallacies. Fallacies are pathetic attempts to “win” a discussion by cheating in order to feel better about yourself. I don’t deal with cheaters and liars. You tried, you failed. Maybe next time somewhere else you’ll have more luck. Maybe you’ll even convince somebody you have those 147 IQ points or whatever number it was you made up. But it’s not gonna be here and today.
Never said that.
Never said that either.
Ok buddy 
Thanks for showing your true colors at last. Keep licking Putin’s boots and have fun being a tool for the russian propaganda machine. I am sure they very much appreciate in the Kremlin they have such a loyal servant doing their work for them.
We’re done here. Not gonna discuss jack anymore with an apologist and supporter of russian aggression that brings horrible attrocities onto our neighbors. Trying to besmirch Ukraine and calling supporting them against russian war crimes stupid is downright disgusting. One of the lowest things I’ve read on these forums.
I’m not particularly pro american, but the truth is in the eye of the beholder in many cases.
As such, Russian’s will allways carry the stigma for the western allies, just as westerners and americans will allways carry the stigma in the eyes of the eastern blocks.
There’s no point even argueing over it, all countries at some points did shtty things, it’s just human nature to some degree and probably the biggest common-ground countries and people have all over the world… people in power do shtty things to stay in power or expand their power.
Either way, I’m looking forward to the next 10+ years of new fps games coming from the entertainment producing capital of the world (USA) where we get to mow down dozens of ruskies for our virtual entertainment 
Look, one paragraph and you didn’t name ONE thing, which you believe to caught me on. Good job so far, let’s keep reading.
Oh, so this means unjust? Interesting. Because NATO needed less to invade, just like America. But in this case, after Naz1s were able to overthrow the government by violence, I think we should all be happy that they had no access to nukes
So you would be happy if Russians took different wording? Why the double standards tho? NATO and/or Americans are allowed to “bring democracy” to other countries or “fight terrorism” or “liberate” other countries… why exactly are they allowed to have their wording? You still couldn’t answer that question.
Look… another wall of text and no arguments. Why do you even waste your time on this? It’s literally pointless. You did not factually prove me wrong in anything, nor did you gave the discussion an sort of value. It’s literal non-sense for the sake of typing something.
You kinda did by dismissing previous “bad actions” by other countries and pretend like Russia is the only “bad guy” in this round just because it’s current, while pretending their actions are completely unprovoked.
So Russians are bad and we are bad?
Again, no argument. Literal non-sense. This is so sad in the western society. You are not bringing any valid argument while dismissing everything I say with “Putin’s propaganda”. How about factually proving a statement wrong instead of crying “propaganda” over and over again?
Discuss? What did you discuss? After I asked you several times to actually make an argument, you failed. There was no discussion.
Right. Let’s tie people to trees and abuse them or simply burn them alive. Ah wait… you’ve never been to Ukraine? Do you need video proof to that?
What’s truly disgusting is to support a country which kills own citizens and pretending like that’s not true even tho there is undeniable evidence.
True, there is bs and “wrong stuff” on both sides, some people just choose to dismiss one side because otherwise the whole argumentation falls apart.
To be fair here, correct term would actually be f@scists and not n@zis. The current regime fulfills the characteristics of f@scism perfectly. N@zism is a specific form with inbuilt anti-semitism and racial superiority. While most Russians think they’re superior over their non-russian neighbors, it’s not based on racial grounds.