Yeah, +15s should be easier with season 2 gear.
However, we won’t have the Prideful buff, which was really valuable against bosses, so maybe Tyrannical bosses will feel just as bad as they do now. But there’s speculation that the season 2 affix will give some buffs similar to Thorghast Anima Power, which could compensate the loss of power from Prideful.
Oh boy, guess i will not bother will ksm then.
I really don’t get the frustration players feel towards this.
What’s better for the game? Requiring you to actually be even remotely knowledgeable about the dungeons by completing them on 2 affix combinations to get Keystone MASTER, or having players wait for the easiest affix combo and it being so easy to complete you barely need hands and/or a monitor to win?
I’d take the first option any day. Everyone does not need to get everything gifted to them for paying a subscription fee.
Also, the ones calling this a plot to make more money from people buying tokens for boosts? Get your head out of the backdoor. If 4 half-decent players that you paid can complete it without your help then how awful are you to not be able to find 4 other normal human beings to complete it with a full party?
edit: If you complain about it adding playtime to get it, you either don’t want the achievement or you’re just torturing yourself already by paying for a game you don’t want to play.
To be more precise, the Keystone Master achievement in 9.1 will require 2000 dungeon score, which if one only does +15s will require them to be done on both Tyrannical and Fortified. Doing higher keys will give higher score, so it will be possible to do higher keys of some easier dungeons and lower keys of some tougher dungeons to reach the score needed for this achievement.
even with the changes, people will always go the path of least resistance, so people will just find out what the easiest affix combinations are for tyrannical and just have push weeks for tyrannical as well.
additionally i would argue that doing 2x8 +15 dungeons makes you hardly more knowledgeable than doing them 1x.
i dont think it makes players more skilled or knowledgeable, its just an inconvenience/ annoyance.
Prideful is look good on paper but in reality people skipping prideful in higher keys. On other hand, 9.1 affix look good on paper too but it might be sucks cause everybody ganna ask you to their route or they will leave and so on.
i love pushing in tyr weeks but many people dodging so it is hard to find people. On the other hand, people cannot do mechanics over dps and dying to stupid/easy mechanics 
I would expect nothing else than players taking the path of least resistance, but if that path currently is to play the dungeons on ONE very specific combination and being unable to do them otherwise it’s about time that there is something forcing one of two things on the player:
or
We as a community need to stop complaining as soon as something requires more than having an active subscription in order to get rewards.
Im so happy I gave up on SL otherwise I would be sad because of NEXT bad change.
At least Tbc is comming out and after that I hope ppl will split between tbc and classic so both games will be semi-alive even with not that large grp of players so I can stay there and do not touch retail anymore.
i’m sorry but avoiding tyra weeks for +15 keys ???
is this realy a thing ?
litteraly worse mentality than playing full meta specs only
If the new score works anything like the raider. io one, untimed keys will also reward some score. So untimed runs will not be completely worthless anymore when it comes to achieving keystone master.
oh geee
guess how tyranical bosses will feel without 60 sec 30% dmg boost will feel
this is literaly the worst change in history of wow for hardcore content .
i dont care for KSM - but i feel geniuinly sorry for people who do care for that
they just got … … by Ion without soap soooooo hard like prisoners ^^
Well , it was %90 less participation to m+
Now they finally nailed it haha. time to stick forever with tbc and wrath classic after
ion is so incompetent and clueless
Mythic+15 is very far from Hardcore content. The only ones affected by this is the very bottom percentile of players.
You mean none meta players
i get that however, from my experience, i dont think that playing bosses on tyrannical has taught me anything about them or made me a better player or anything like that.
you could basically get the same knowledge about boss abilities if you read the adventure guide, no tyrannical needed for that.
its just that blizzard should have looked at the reason why people are avoiding tyrannical so much.
they could have changed it to make it more engaging, which requires actual skill, rather than be a time waster and bullet sponge.
i dont think it has anything to do with people wanting things for free. they just dont like one thing and i bet they wouldnt mind if it was changed for something similar but more, well, fun.
Are valor upgrades tied to this? If you need 2k rating for the upgrades, than it is absolutely terrible for players that gear up through M+. Just terrible.
If it is only mount/achievement, then it is bearable, I guess. Having some choice is good and partly negates the need to do more dungeons for it. Would have been nice if harder affixes (like bolter-necrotic week) gave a bit more points too.
Affixes need some rework in general, fortified is a bit too forgiving (outside of some mobs), tyrannical is not fun in general and too punishing. Swapping from fort to tyr does not affect group composition much, as you want an aoe-focused group regardless.
nah, even non meta classes can get their ksm. Kieftilt is talking about actually unskilled or very casual players, regardless of their class.
You absolutely do not have to play ”meta” classes to complete a +15 dungeon. You can bring literally any comp and do it without a problem if the players are half-decent at the game.
The idea that you’re required to play the classes that are the best for +22 and above is also a bottom-feeder idea. The things that make those classes good in high keys often even make them bad in low keys (2-17)
Why would I do ksm again? same mount, and max ilvl through vault in 12 weeks or so 
So I don’t care at all
ofc you can do 15 as none meta but wow community is delusional that they need full meta team to time 10 & 15 for max 3 month then they will invite you 