The real issue is simple, Playing certain classes makes Players want you more or less realistically, and Sure “Make ur own group” is a option. but its More work then simply the other sides inputting for the same results.
people dont actully care about the totem pole. all Metrics regarding percentiles are comparitives to exclusive those of ur chars, So WCL is kinda set up to allow any class to compete by simply grouping them by class.
the real issue is the way players use that information, can make ur life easier, or more difficult. but Classics starting ground was Stacking 12 of 1 class, so i guess its gotten better atleast…
Drop the act please you’re not a victim.
Everyone knows how the vanilla warrior works and everyone knows how it’ll end.
Blizzard can tweak Quick Strike rune. Instead of costing 20 rage it could be free and generates rage. You put a short cd on it something like 4-6 sec.
Done problem solved and your rune is still useable.
I think there’s a bit of confusion about what I was trying to say earlier. Remember BlizzCon, when Blizzard discussed the Season of Discovery? They promised that the SOD would balance things out, making Warriors less overpowered and boosting other classes instead.
But from what I’m seeing, that hasn’t happened. Warriors seem even more powerful than before. And I’m worried it’s going to get worse once we hit level 40. (Much more worse)
At max level if they won’t change things drastically expect raids with 30 Warriors and using other Classes just for buffs…
I don’t want a Season of Warrior, instead can’t we make all classes more equal?
Some really care about running 100m the fastest in their school/district/country/world, and some want that AND something more, and some just want to get from point a to b whatever.
You are projecting your own micro-bubble onto “people”. I assure you, take 20 people and they at least want 5 different things.
Some are happy with % and some want to actually pump in their respective groups. Not helping that lets say Shadow Priest 100% is like Warrior’s 60%. “You did real good boy, now go sit in a dunce corner together with Billy who does what you did by randomly mashing buttons as another class.”
To be fair, obviously warriors do really well in PVE (when haven’t they?) but when I look in the LFM BFD in chat I don’t see people making 100% warrior DPS raids…
So how big of an issue on the actual game is it really?
I notice most tanks aren’t warrior
For healers they mainly seem to want priest
Feral is requested very often both rogue/warrior benefit
Hunters ofc, the easy free dps
I don’t struggle finding a group as warrior, but is there any class that struggles finding a group?
So far most if not all groups I have done only had 1 warrior, people don’t demand 2-3 warrior dps
In the end if you want fair logs… you are delusional… one will always rule and if they don’t it’s because the mechanics of a certain boss won’t let them. Just look at the logs of the turtle boss…
Sure if the performance of warrior is due to ramping mechanics that have an unintentionl effect sure it needs a ‘fix’. Everyone seems to be claiming deep wounds is to blame, but on my DPS logs it’s the least performing ability I have, prolly because my gear is lacking still, and that’s warrior in a nutshell, get gear → do well
We are fighting squishy shusi in BFD, once we enter Gnomeregan and we fight high armor mechanised units you’ll see casters crawl back a head, right?
Yet another fine specimen who thinks everyone’s an idiot.
The point of the thread is not to establish who is teh firstest, but to point out that history is about to repeat itself and it would be nice if it didn’t for a change.
There will always be someone who is first - that’s a fact of life, it just does not need to be warrior 4 years in a row and Blizzard’s attention is being drawn that given how it goes - reality it is yet again seeming to go the usual ending.
And the whole point is to change that usual ending, before Blizzard would do its usual “well we can’t change it anymore because people are invested”.
And mind you - it does not mean that Warriors now need to be dogwater because some butthurt vengeance campaign, but it’s fine if they will end up being 2nd or 3rd for a change and not outDPSing some classes by more than 2x.
I don’t care for PVE wow raid logs etc. As long as they don’t kill this class in PVP. But I seriously doubt that it can be done, because again, if down the warrior in PVE you will completely destroy the class in PVP.
But who or what decides who will be the new champ? No1 will ever be happy thats the point
Yes broken or bugged mechanics need to be fixed, but at the same time when you look at the turtle boss logs you see something different.
Plus atm there are many mages creeping into the top on the Aku’Mai fight… #1 is a mage and they don’t benefit from any WF totem or first having to stack 5 sunders or have a priest sunder.
Mages simply do this SOLO, so depending how you look at it mages are more OP?
Simply put warriors and the nature of rage just synergises really well in PVE, that’s the whole thing with the warrior class, change it and you kill it’s soul
Part of why warriors are so strong now comes down to two factors; scaling and Wild Strikes.
Scaling; Warriors (and rogues) scale off weapon damage and there are a lot of good weapons available. Spells that arent runes dont scale at all and a lot of them are at level 26.
Wild Strikes; you can tell the difference between a warrior with wild strikes and one without. Rogues and shamans dont get the same benefit unless theyre not buffing their weapons.
In other words, warriors are doing very well at this bracket not because theyre OP but because everyone else doesnt benefit from certain things the way they do. The issue is with the game, not with warriors.
It’s bad practice to even use the warcraft logs to say what is OP or not, when the whole objective of these min/maxers is to eek out the littelest extra dps any means necessary, it’s by no means representative of the state of the whole game
If warriors taunt the adds on Aku’Mai and pop retaliation and the biggest engineering bomb they could find just to cheese the DPS logs, is that really something you want to punish the whole community for? It just shows how dumb the logs are.
This is the top 2.5% of the curve you are looking at, if you look at the bottom 2.5% I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s also the warriors sitting down there. Luckily blizz has more information and tools to figure out what to do.
It’s just warriors being warriors, it’s their class mechanics, solo bad group good. This so called domminance still leaves them abscent in PVP, WPVP or any PVE solo content other classes can do without any issues even without gear.
And I don’t mind if they “fix” deep wounds, I have yet to reach the gear necessary to take advantage of this, just like the majority of the warriors
There are over a quarter of a million more hunters than Warriors and Rogues have the rank 1 spot, and you’re literally playuing Classic Vanilla WoW where Warriors were traditionally the best dps in the game by a mile and this as been widespread knowledge for over 15 years.
I don’t know what to tell you, because at level 40 upwards Warrior is going to dominate and that is the game that you have knowingly chosen to play, don’t whine about it.
Says who? If tomorrow Blizzard goes ahead and lets say - nerfs warriors by 60%, the issue of warriors dominating PvE damage would be resolved or well like some other person suggested - remove rage from WF procs and revert Deep Wounds.