Sometimes i really believe that you get paid to write so many ( the game is perfect ) posts .
Are you insinuating that these specs have the same upper limit as the meta comp?
Except when itās not nonsense because if youāre not meta you canāt get into a pug key? I agree that thereās literally not a single class that canāt easily farm +10 keys but does that mean that itās happening, particularly in pugs?
You need experience to get the job, but you need to get the job to get experience.
You can look at the data yourself? +18s: 55 runs in-time. The linked example completed a +17. Thatās currently around the upper limit, yes.
If everyone who complain about these āyou need to be meta to join pugsā form a community, they can form groups, no?
Thatās a bit of the point here; all specs are capable of the content they do. Yet they refuse to find a way to form groups without having to list themselves as one of the 51 others.
Excuses, excuses, and excuses. Itās not the specs that are the issue (other than a handful).
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Ion thinks this is fine. Best to come back in a later season when thereās catch up built into everything and they fix all the problems that theyāve created for no good reason. Thatās what Iām doing 
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And spend the evening bringing your own key back up to 10? I think not.
Thereās fundamental problems with M+ which is what the OP was talking about. I donāt know how it got to specs being unviable, but I agree that theyāre not. They need to address their design flaws.
I mean for godās sake go back to Legion when everything was a broken mess, and you needed full immunity comps to live the first boss of BRH. That was fun. This is over designed BS that needs to be flushed down the crapper.
Also, can we start believing people when they say they arenāt enjoying things instead of calling it excuses. My opinion, the only reason to ever change things in a video game is the fact that it isnāt fun. Idec about balance as long as Iām having fun.
Pretty much this since shadowlands.
Blizz removed linear powerup progression cos the āblizz dont respect muh timeā crybabies, and got rid of ap and azerite.
Mhm? Are you saying that theyāre bad or that one needs to be meta? Or do you solely want to do othersā keys?
Each xpac and seasons had its own meta.
Legion, bfa => dh.
Shadowlands => ranged (melee not even existed).
Df = > evoker.
Iām saying that this is a game and not a part time job. We pay them not the other way around. We shouldnāt have to form communities to navigate something as stupid as a keystone with fortified and tyrannical on it.
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I think so, and rightfully so.
There is no reason to assume that just because it isnāt literally within the top 60 runs that this means it is incapable of it. It may just as well mean that these particular players are incapable of it - for now anyway.
Doing a +17 is a very impressive result, and any composition that can do that can easily make the claim to be part of the meta.
The only question is if the meta slaves caught on yet. Thatās the funny thing about meta slavery - not only is it stifling for those who play under it, itās also often wrong.
Actually, not even going to read the rest of what you wrote since this is fundamentally wrong. Itās meta because itās the best comp for this content. That is the only metric to being meta and people with a lot more time and motivation that you or I have figured that out.
Considering the highest run of that dungeon is an 18 and they cleared that 17 with 3 min 20 seconds left would you dispute that?
Probably a few points to address here.
- I really couldnāt care less what you believe or donāt.
- I didnāt say the game was perfect. May I suggest books on reading comprehension?
Months before the end of the season? Yes, yes I would.
You can not have read all of there posts then as they have lambasted Blizzard hundreds of times though out the years, post something on topic next time instead of a person attack as always which had nothing to do with the OPs spam post.
Honestly I would not mind this. Every patch updates the previous raid to continue to give relevant gear.
But people would go bananas. Like they did in the fated seasons with all 3 raids open at once.
I beleive people when they say they are frustrated in M+. And they are right.
But I start calling it BS when they quickly turn to class balance as the culprit ! Because it isent. It has other reasons.
In WW particularelly the problem is compressing the playerbase in too few keys. Thats the issue. So you loose the sense of progression.
I agree with you 100%. I think it only plays a part in the perception of the community. I blame streamers for this mostly - the same ones having their 587 disc priests carried through +10s after telling us all how bad that spec was 
I feel like they have messed up big time. A +12 this season is easy an old +25 maybe a tiny bit higher. People pugging feel stuck.
Going from a +22 to a +25 feels like a too big of a leap for most people.
WoW always had a part where you āRepeat X activity every week to gain powerā. This season isnāt ideal but Iāll take some M+ dungeons over braindead dailies or endless korthea grinds.
Ofc casuals preferred those since they had little skill and tons of time.