Secondary Stats for Havoc

Classes Demon Hunter
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Hi guys, so I’m a bit confused as when I read the release notes of Shadowlands I saw that the secondary stat diminishing returns kick in when you have above 30% x Stat, so for example if I have 30% + haste there will be diminishing returns on the excess rating above 30%.

However a friend of mind told me to install the True Stat Addon and now I can see that for example I currently have a Haste rating of 703, out of 990 and I have 21%, but I have 827 Vers out of 1200 and I again have 21%.

So what is the situation here, why I have less room to scale haste compared to vers?

As I will start getting diminishing returns on haste quicker, should I focus on Crit or Mastery?

Crit does not effect Eye Beam, as far as I know, which is our big DPS, but on the other hand Mastery scales Chaos DMG, which boosts Eye Beam.

My current stats are:

Crit - 17% - 200 Rating
Haste - 21% 703 Rating
Mastery - 14% 0 Rating
Vers - 21% 827 Rating

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U need

  • 1st: Vers
  • 2nd: Haste
  • 3nd: Crit
    About Mastery u can forget and move to recycle bin.
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Okay, thanks for that, but still is it worth it to stack Vers and Haste when diminishing returns hit?

Why the different stats have different caps?

To what crit %/rating should I aim?

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From personal experience i found that 520-550 haste is enof, Vers and crit are both good so i balance the two with a favor towards vers, 0 mastery coz its dog. Right now i have about 24 crit 16 haste and 19 vers or so, seems to be doing good, dh isnt amazing but its not as bad as ppl make it seem.

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Every stat scales different and has a different threshold for 1% increase.

Here is an example to avoid any confusion (or create some more :man_shrugging:)
The ratings and amount of stats needed are completely made up so don’t use them.

1% Crit needs 250 rating
1% vers needs 300 rating
1% haste needs 350 rating
1% mastery needs 150 rating

As with those numbers you see haste qould be the most expensive stat, while mastery being cheap.
Blizzard does this to offset different classes scaling differently with stats.
So a haste lover has a harder time getting to those haste caps. But he scales harder so every point of haste has more value to him.

If that wasn’t the question i am sorry for misreading your post…
Anyway…

As for you, you want as much haste and vers as you can get. After that crit and avoid mastery at all cost.

To know what your current best stat is you would have to head over to a simulation tool. Since for example having 20% haste and vers will make maybe crit your strongest stat since you have allost none.

If you simulate your stat weight after every piece of gear you will know for certain ehat you currently aim for.

In general you want ~20% haste if you want to play demon blades for smoothness.
Everything else is really up to you and what content you do, but haste/vers are in general your strongest stats, because DH does not scale with crit or mastery in any special way like fire mage for example.

Hope that helps :slight_smile:

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Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for

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