So I’m trying to get Draenor Pathfinder before levelling my alts and I see that Securing Draenor is a pre-requisite. I picked up an Apexis Daily from the War Planning Map but I couldn’t complete it (Assault on the Pit) because the quest wouldn’t progress when I arrived.
I tried to figure out what was wrong but couldn’t so I contacted Support and the CS rep completed the quest for me but it didn’t update the achievement. I tried to take another quest and this time it didn’t even enter my quest log but the War Planning Map became unavailable.
I contacted Support again and was told that there were two versions of the quests and that the second is only available after you have completed your Garrison campaign and that only these quests “count” towards the achievement and rather smugly told me what I had been doing so far was “useless”.
But this doesn’t seem right to me.
First because I’ve looked up every guide on Wowhead and nowhere does it mention that you have to complete the Garrison Campaign first.
Second, why am I being given access to these dailies via the table if they don’t count towards the achievement and why are they not working (Support guy didn’t seem bothered by that) and…
Third, the Garrison campaign takes around TWELVE weeks to complete as each quest is only offered weekly according to wowhead.
So my question is, for those that have done this achievement, did you have to wait THREE MONTHS to unlock flying in Draenor? I managed to do Legion in a few weeks and that was only held back because of the rep grind.
I’d especially like to hear from players who started in a later expansion and had to go back to do it but any advice would help.
I am not 100% sure (it has been a while), but i feel like you may have been given some wrong advice, or have been talking across each other.
While the Garrison Campaign does indeed take atleast a couple months to complete, I’m fairly sure you don’t have to do the Garrison Campaign at all in order to unlock Pathfinder. The Securing Draenor objectives should (almost) all be for sale as missives from Sergeant Grimjaw or Sergeant Crowler in your Garrison, and none of the other pathfinder sub-achievements are time gated.
Warlords of Draenor was made with the idea of flying not being available in mind, flying was never planned to be introduced at all. The visuals and structure of the zones were great and not being able to go from point A to point D without having to cross B and/or C along the way brought back a lot of things that were lacking in wow before warlords. In my experience the lack of flying was a good design choice they should have stuck with.
There was however a massive backlash of a very vocal subset of the community that did not see it that way, with the result that eventually blizzard caved. This is when they came up with the Pathfinder concept as a compromise. Keeping flying in the Draenor continent restricted to people who had basically completed the majority of the content, giving them access to the flying mounts they worked hard to unlock and giving them the benefit of being able to speed up leveling considerably for their alts, and of course speeding up travel for their mains when flying to dailies, raids and challenge mode dungeons. They added flying in during the Tanaan content patch (patch 6.2 orso i believe)
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Sidenote: as Legion was already heavily in development during this time, the original 7.0 legion zones (the 4 questing zones and Suramar) were all also made without flying in mind, and again, were way better quality content that way in my opinion. (but i’m not trying to restart the pro-flying arguments again ;p)
By the time they added Pathfinder in late warlords, most active players already met all the criteria for Pathfinder with the sole exception of the Tanaan Diplomat achievement, as those 3 factions were added to the game around the same time. All the other content was already available for 8 months orso at that point, so nobody who was anxious to fly had to wait very long.
I’m not saying I think I should get instant access to flying but I want to start working on it. I think the support guy is wrong that I need to complete the Garrison campaign because the wowhead guides don’t mention it, the game doesn’t make it clear in any way and I’ve searched the forums and nobody’s mentioned it as a requirement.
I just need someone to confirm that they didn’t need to complete it and still unlocked the achievement before I go back and tell the guy he’s wrong.
If you visit the sergeant you should be able to see which scrolls he has for sale, if you have enough garrison resources, buy one of them and do the quest it gives you, it should then check off that quest on the Securing Draenor achievement.
Ofc you not and please state source for where and when it was said about Legion not going to have flying ? soon as Pathfinder in WoD actually came out they said it would happen in every expac after .
He has all the scrolls but I didn’t want to waste resources on them when there are two freebies up every day. I was just going to fill in the blanks. But if I do one and it works then I’ll be able to go back with the truth but I think those scrolls will just start the same borked missions that the war table are giving me. I’ll try it tomorrow.
Yes and my point was, that at that point they had already been working on the Legion zones for a very very long time so the design (you know, the part of game development that largely comes before you start drawing and coding up a multi-year project) did clearly still take ground presence as a given.
I never said that Pathfinder wouldn’t be available for Legion. Once blizzard made the choice to introduce Pathfinder for Warlords it obviously would also extend to Legion (either that or Legion could have been even flying-friendlier, but they obviously weren’t going to go against the grain again on that issue).
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There are vastly different design styles between flying-oriented areas, such as Northrend and the Outlands, in contrast to non-flying-oriented areas like the original Warlords and Legion zones. Being able to fly absolutely destroys the enormous amount of work that goes into building a zone like Suramar as players end up never seeing 95% of it.
Flying zones, even fairly insignificant ones are massive in size but contain big stretches of largely open space. Compare zones like Suramar, that have truckloads of things going on in just about every square meter of the city to zones like Netherstorm.
Players who have access to flying tend to take off up into the air from where ever they are and then fly in a straight line to where ever they have to go, they do not follow paths, they do not interact with nearby things (unless they are given a reason to or something is shiny enough), they are much much more mission oriented and efficient. People who are forced to spend time on the ground explore more, they have to avoid packs of mobs and/or get into fights on occasion, they bump into other players all over the place, i could go on and on.
I don’t have anything against flying, i use my fly mount all the time and i have unlocked all the Pathfinder achievements as soon as they became available in each of the last few Expansions. My argument was that restricting flying made a higher quality of content possible, and that the loss of the convenience of being able to fly was worth that price. I am very glad i got to play through all the things Suramar had to offer before flying was introduced, i think players who started playing there post-Pathfinder and got pathfinder unlocked asap will inevitably miss out on a staggering amount of good content.
You’re right, both the dailies from the table and the scrolls from the vendor are essentially identical when it comes to the achievement. I don’t know what caused the initial problem you had the with Pit daily, and wether or not you’ll have the same experience with the vendor missives, you’d have to try to see that.
I would be pretty surprised if the quest is broken though, it is not an area where they are actively making many changes and i have done the Pit and Shattrath daily quests specifically quite a few times recently (in order to trigger garrison invasions for the weekly mount chance).
It is fairly obvious to me in terms of the time constraints, as in Warlords flying was introduced June 2015 and in November that same year the Legion alpha was being played, so clearly the basic Legion zone and quest line design was largely done at that point.
It is also heavily supported by the design choices they made, you simply wouldn’t waste a good yearsworth of manhours into crafting a million little details that cannot even be seen from the sky, in areas where players aren’t even given an incentive to land.
Anyway, i wasn’t making any attempt to convince anyone of anything, least of all someone with your attitude. I was merely making an off the cuff remark about something potentially interesting to someone who asked a question related to experiences with Pathfinder.
I done them hence i knew the answer already just wanted to see you spew out random thoughts and you wrong Alpha started Decemeber 21st i wish you look up facts before trying to be all knowing.
@ Wowhead posted 2015/11/23 at 7:18 PM by [perculia]
Yes, that 11 is referring to November, not December, i guess the force is weak in this one. None of this is information anyone cares about, nor is it helpful or relevant to Eyridan’s problem, so i’ll leave it from here.
So if it wasnt designed with flying in mind in your view ? so ask yourself this .
DH and glide also after the backlash of no flying starting at WOD start do you honestly believe they would start on Legion with no flying in mind for the jest of things ?
Your the one who brought up the negative views about flying yet you do all the work to get it ironic much ? why even bring it into the thread ? Just give the guy the revelent info .
Which is the GM is wrong speak to another and get the ticket moved up . Simple as.
I recently completed Securing Draenor, thought tbh mate I left it pretty late and by the time I started it I had a level 3 Garrison and all the trimmings…but one thing I would ask is how many missions your sergeant offers you in your Garrison atm ? On Alliance he stands your Garrison Resources cache. If they are all there but completing them doesn’t add towards the ACHV, I’d say it’s required to complete the garrison first.
What shape is your Garrison in atm, buildings and their levels etc ?
"WARNING : Unless you are actually on the daily quest or have purchased a missive, you won’t get credit for completing these objectives. I tried to use this as an opportunity to catch up on my garrison campaign quests. You’d figure that, hey, if Blizzard is sending you out to Socrethar’s Rise and the objectives are active and you can complete them and you get the text “You have completed Socrethar’s Rise,” you’d actually get credit for this.
Not so.
3+ hours down the drain as I completed numerous areas and didn’t get credit for any of them.
TL;DR : If you haven’t picked up the daily or purchased the corresponding missive, you’re wasting your time."
That’s a qouted comment from WoWhead. If you’re following all the right rules and not getting the ACHV progress it’s either been changed or it’s bugged out for some reason
