Serious lore question. about Garrosh

If that’s the case the writers would have to introduce a third timeline into Warcraft.

As Garrosh from our timeline effectively erased the existence of Alternate-Draenor Garrosh by altering the timeline.

If i remember right then the different Sha’s in MoP were the remnants left behind after Y’shaarj was slain with Y’shaarj being an old god serving the void. It’s also Y’shaarj heart that Garrosh ate in order to gain his temporary powers in SoO.

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Thank you for explaining when it comes to lore i am not very good at it but i enjoy reading others comments thanks :heart:

I thought the same. Garrosh was found in Outland in our main universe and then Garrosh opened a portal to Draenor in alternate universe where he doesn’t even exist as son of Grom Hellscream.

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They will most likely add in the content that wasn’t put in or they’ll stop at cata and call it a day

In the Mag’har Orc scenario, when you return to Alternate Draenor, you learn that Grom fathered a son after the events of WOD and named him Garrosh.

Whether it’s an alternate version of the same character or an entirely new individual named Garrosh is up for debate, the entire time travel plot of WOD was dreadfully handled and an example of where doing something because you think it was cool can sometimes lead to terrible results if the outcome is a nonsensical mess (and the first inkling that maybe they didn’t have the same respect or investment in their own lore that their community did). So even though he should be a different character, they may make him an alternate version based on rule of cool and handwave away the fact he couldn’t possibly have the same mother.

Regardless, there is an Exarch Garrosh within the Army of the Light on alternate Draenor and if Yrel comes, he will almost certainly come with her.

In fact you can easily imagine Exarch Garrosh as the final boss of the first raid tier of such an expansion.

THat makes sense. Alas it’s not “our” Garrosh though. But it does correct the mistake I had made about Outland Garrosh erasing the Draenor version. Though to be fair, even though Warchads of big D was a good expansion, the story was kinda meh, ngl. Wonky timely wimely whatevers the Doctor called them.

We have to disagree on WoD being a bad expansion. Until BFA and Shadowlands came out it was widely and rightfully reviled as the worst expansion, crippled by the awful garrison feature (if you ever want an example of how Blizzard processes feedback, THAT was their response to our request for player housing), a criminal lack of content and a truly terrible story.

In hindsight this is when they went off the rails. Given three out of the past four expansions have been disasters I now believe Legion being good was a fluke.

And they could very easily make Exarch Garrosh another version of our Garrosh, because remember, they don’t care about the lore as much as we do. The care about big, epic, easily marketable events that can be digested by the majority of the playerbase in a sixty second cinematic without context. God forbid they be like FF14 where the big moments are earned through patient worldbuilding and character development.

I remember Gul’dan was also disenchanted…so they fetched another from another timeline.

I really like the idea you’ve gone with, a light alliance and void horde…then the alliance would truly get snuffed out.

There is no reason why they can’t make up some preposterous reason to bring a Garrosh lookalike back into the game. Great Scott! With time travel anything is possible LOL.

The Garrosh you are talking about is gone forever. The Stone talon mountain Garrosh was his true self I believe. he was very honourable before the corruption got to him. He is also one of my favourite horde character to. I wish they had of given him a story deserved of such a orc.

No, noppe and niet. Hes gone! I like him aswell.

Nope. It was one of two intended routes for Garrosh. In fact Blizzard admitted that Stonetalon should have never made it into the game but the guy responsible for it didnt get the memo with which Garrosh they wanted to go and as such we got this version of him in Stonetalon. Technically the whole zone has been deemed non-canon by Blizzard.

He managed to not fall to corruption after merging with an old god (being enhanced isnt the same as having his mind corruted so im disregarding his appereance during the final stages of the fight). He had a corruption resistance of like 99% or something (either that or Y’Shaarj must have really liked him)

It’s just what I think kretias . Wouldn’t really look into that much.

I hope he does not return anytime soon. He was the reason for the Tauren mass extinction across Kalimdor

Kretias is right. It was Alex Afrasiabi who wrote the Stonetalon Garrosh questline stuff, and he even publicly stated he’d done it wrong.

Garrosh was always supposed to be the villain, he was never supposed to be Stonetalon Garrosh, that was Afrasiabi, as he admitted ‘Getting confused and going off message’.

Weird fact about Garrosh, he was originally, before they came up with the Iron Horde idea, supposed to have formed a ‘Mongrel Horde’ of various races like Kobolds, Gnolls, Centaur and Ogres, and we were never going to Draenor, because he would have pulled those races from Azeroth, not alternate versions of past Orcs.

No idea why they changed their mind (and I quite liked WoD as an expansion) but they did.

Garrosh is one of those bizarre characters that underwent so many iterations, Whiny Emo Brat with Daddy issues in TBC, Blustering blowhard in WotLK, Aggressive incompetent in Cata, Aggressive racist in MoP, until his final demise in WoD.

He could have been an -EXCELLENT- Orcish racial leader. Unfortunately they leant too hard into that trope whilst trying to make him Warchief of the Horde, so he ultimately betrayed the Horde, in favour of his Orcs, with predictable results (You’d have thought Sylvanas would have learned from his mistakes) .

Garrosh Hellscream. Joint worst Warchief of the Horde,

But Best Racial Orc leader the Orcs could have had.

Wasted potential. They should have used him better.

Lets not forget that he basically abandoned the Tauren after killing Cairne in a dishonourable Mak’gora (Not his fault, but he let the result stand) to the extent that the Alliance had to help the Tauren out, because Garrosh would not.

Like I say, Excellent orc racial leader, utter incompetent as a Horde Warchief.

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