This is a serious question.
Where will classic end? I mean to 99% of the players, classic ends with WOLTK.
For obvious resons, it’s still the base game, base UI, base talent trees, story still connected to W3 and the Frozen Throne, just OG WoW. No transmog etc. Its what defines a classic. It’s the natal version.
Regardles of weather I like Cata or not, it’s not classic. It just confuses the hell outta me. Blizzard seems so jittery and just weird in their decisionmaking.
And if I am wrong in not considering Cata to be classic, then how? Cata is way closer to modern WoW than classic. The only reminder is the OG models. But they will also be replaced with the current disney looking ones.
Look Idc if Blizzard decides to restart WoW every 10 years to milk every possible penniy they can out of every WoW player possible, but change the label.
Cata is not classic, call it “Cata revisited” or idk, not classic. It’s not classic.
Also then people would stop complaining about the coming Cata and MoP stuff, if you stop calling it classic.
Anyways, classic is dead, it’s sad. Been fun though.
Hopefully it will last until MoP, thats where i had the most fun anyway.
What you mean by this?
I highly suspect that the vast majority dont really care about the lore in this game. Maybe im wrong.
Its not though, they made alot of changes to the game that was never in the OG wotlk game.
What do you define as “classic” Because in the dictionaries i found on the web, most of them said “of the first or highest quality, class, or rank” (Dictionary.com)
(most of the dictionaries define classic to be of the highest quality, and in that case anything can be called a classic)
You can say this about wotlk too, if you compare it to tbc for instance. Or compare it to vanilla for that matter.
Why is this such a big deal? Its just a name, i cant really understand why this is a such a major deal.
No they wouldnt.
People seem to confuse “classic” with “og”, current wotlk isnt a exact replica of OG wotlk. Same goes for TBC classic, it wasnt an exact replica.
In hindsight, there was alot of bad decisions that were made in OG wotlk but we couldnt really see it cuz the game was “brand new”. Now, 15 years later, knowing some of the problems that were made, why would you make them ALL over again?
You wouldnt, thats why there were changes to wotlk classic.
kek.
if that hurts you that much. just ignore it.
easy.
you are complaining about wording, just because its not “classic” for you. it might be for others. its not just about you.
Because the original developers are long gone. These new pathetic excuse of “developers” knew nothing about Wotlk. And they proved their lack of knowledge with stupid decisions.
will it change the game if they use a different name?
no → doesn’t matter
will it change the game if they use the same “classic” postfix?
no → doesn’t matter
in the end. who gives a single f how they call it? the game will progress to cataclysm
Azeroth (the first 2 landmasses) were already changed massively with wotlk. Quests were removed, landmarks added, flight points added, most elite quests were turned into normal quests.
They underwent 2 mostly complete redesigns by that point. Vanilla classic talent trees underwent a redesign within vanilla as well. The ones in 2019 you played with aren’t even close to the ones at the game’s launch for some specs.
Then nothing you could play in 2019 came close, and hasn’t since. Changes like layering were much more impactful to the day to day gameplay then anything you mentioned.
Talent tree, raid design, quest design, loot design and story wise Cata is closer to wotlk then wotlk is to tbc or even vanilla.
You can say you don’t like cata - thats fine. But please don’t presume to speak for the rest of us or even the majority - you aren’t. There are tens of thousands of people playing wotlk on single servers right now, and yet the petition they’ve been trying to bring to keep wotlk servers has scarcely 750 signatures.
People who feel strongly about this are a tiny minority. Blizzard knows this. They conducted representative research on it before deciding to make cata.
As for how long they’ll keep doing this - they’ve said so. As long as there’s a stable playerbase that wants the content, we’ll get it. That means MOP is almost certainly in the cards. WoD may be very short or skipped but is probably in the cards. Legion is definitely in the cards. I don’t know beyond that, but with changes to content cadence and targeted tweaks, even BFA and Shadowlands classic could retain userbases.
I doubt it will.
As in the name of progression, each expansion is about playing one island of the game world, all the while each class receives a rework.
1., Scaling the entire world is possible - repelling all the comments about how it removes the feel of progression, etc.
2., This could result in too much content to pick from, which can again be resolved by creating some sort of a rotation. Instead of just a daily dungeon, you could have a set of daily dungeons. See: daily fractals. Realistically, no one is going to do all of them, but if needed, have a meta quest to do three.
3., Specialisations remain an interesting issue. Can I play my WLK protection paladin, while you play your classic seal twisting, and a third the current one? Technically, sure, most of it is buffs and auras and modifiers. It could be confusing, though, especially in the group buff department.
So! I think the core reasons to do a rotation are twofold. First, players will never be entirely happy with anything but a recreation. Second, as long as there are separate versions, players will be split, and the player base is limited to support 10+ of them. Thus the best option is to cycle through. How often, depends on the demands.
Why do people always pull these numbers out of their behind? “for 99% of the playerbase…” and continues with often their own opinion. Looking at these forums and reddit alone a lot of players are hyped for cata.
Very subjective. I mean I agree in part cata is the first real step towards what we have in retail now, but the current classic playerbase has proved they absolutely deserve the retail style changes we already have in wrath classic.
That’s for you alone to decide. I for one am hyped to play cata classic but no I don’t consider it to be a true classic like I did with the first three. The 1-60 zones in cata are the same ones we have in retail to this day and while I love them I don’t consider them classic. Most classes get their core basic rotation/spells that they still use in retail to this day.
A label is just that, a label. Why care so much what it’s called? We all know it’s Cata with some extra stuff added from retail, just like Wrath is now. If you look at it only 2019’s classic and arguably TBC would be worthy of the term ‘classic’.
It’s only dead when people stop playing, and I don’t see that happening soon.
There is genuine hype for cata, whether you feel it deserves the title ‘classic’ or not, just like there will be hype for MoP when they bring it back, and they will 100%.
I do have to add it’s only normal that the further we go, the more people who very much like TBC and Wrath will flock to private servers again. Sure, vanilla purists have their era servers but TBC/Wrath fans are left with nothing. So yeah after a while I do think Blizz will return to these expansions in one way, shape or form.
Classic version of the game is recreation of expansion as it was. Not everyone wants to replay it or replay all expansions / patches along the way as each has their own favorite version of WoW. However as time goes on there would be players who started in Cata and MoP to whom those packs were the very first and very best. My take is that WoW Classic would not survive past Draenor.
If Classic survives until WoD is released then most likely Legion would follow. By the time BfA is to be released, interest would be so low, players would want to play vanilla, TBC and/or Wrath.
What I really can’t understand is why they wouldn’t leave at least two servers stuck at wotlk. I know that this dilutes the players but let’s be honest, a lot of us are going to leave wow with this release. I personally like Cata and I would love to play it but wotlk is my favourite expansion and that’s true for so many players. Just take a look at the numbers of players in private servers stuck at wotlk. If it was up to me I would have kept one or two servers for bc too even if I would never play much on them.
Im guessing it has something to do with costs. And we already see less and less people playing wotlk, that more or less happened because of SoD. Imagine how dead wotlk will be when they add ANOTHER “game”.
Can you justify having a server up for the 100 people who will play Wotlk?
(this is just a random number, i just cant see a big number of players playing on a wotlk server. Maybe unless they have like a seasonal thing, where the server resets to p1 after ICC/RS is “finished”)
I was gonna say that blizz would have to reduce the staff working/maintaining wotlk etc, but then i read that sentence outloud and realized what it sounded like