If I may sidestep the arguments going on here for a moment.
What do you think ceiling should be for an LFR boss mechanic Mila?
Causal is a relation between a cause and an effect. Casual is when someone does something irregularly.
Itâs not a bad idea to skip phase 2 in LFR and just have a cutscene instead.
Mate, this is LFR. Halllooo, it is just LFR. Do you know what LFR means? I think you donât because as I inspect your char, I see you are a heroic and M raider and also remarkable M+ dungeoneer with almost zero LFR raid experience, so let me explain what actually LFR is: There is a random clicker guy, 198 ilvl geared, with ilvl 158 weapon on his hand. This guy doesnât have guild or have a self play guild that he doesnât interact with other people for a long time. He follows the main quest chain during the expansion, you know that quests filled with the yellow pentagon, those quests. At the end of the quest chain, he founds an NPC that has an exclamation sign on its head with ââthose yellow pentagonsââ. When he clicks on it, NPC says: ââ Go! Find other 198 geared with 158 weapon noob champions like you and kill Slyvanas! Go get them champ!!!ââ The guy opens the map to see where Slyv is and notices her location is not marked on the map. (This thing actually happened. I was camping in Korthia for mount farming and a guy was asking about Slyv location where to find to kill her.) Then later somehow, that guy realizes that the quest is related to a raid. He goes to raid finder section and queues for ââthe Reckoningââ.
Letâs go back to the same timeline of the same story from YOUR eyes YOURSELF. YOU have a M raid tonight with the guild and YOUR guild is looking for different ways to pass M the Nines. You come online at 14:00 st and queue on LFR just for warming up your fingers and to find missing LFR colors of transmog set. You enter in and THERE YOU ARE! YOU MEET WITH THAT GUY. AFTER QUEUE FOR A 1,5 HOURS, you start wiping FOR HOURS again (1) and again (2) and again (3, some people quits raid because this thing becomes boring) and again (4, some people Alt+F4âed and removed from the group because this content is completely unplayable) and again (5, some more people quit and Alt+F4 AND THEY SWEAR NEVER CAME BACK) and again (6) and in the end, you killed the boss but no no no no no!!! STILL NO TRANSMOG AFTER MONTHS OF THIS TORMENT!!!
Look mate, donât misunderstand me, unlike that crazy panda and kiddo troll above, I am NOT trying to insult or have fun with or even criticize THAT GUY in the story here because I am not the one who will judge what people should like/do or donât, how and why the people good or bad at this game. WoW is not a game to learn in one day maybe even in months. But the problem is SoD itself!!! It is boring and overtunned!!! During Castle of Nathria, I experienced not that many wipes on LFR. One, rarely two, at 3rd try, Sire Denathrius (my lovely charismatic Villain 
) was going down. Even sometimes I was surprised that I found myself explaining the mechanics excitedly what I am not doing very often. This problem is really related not with me, not with THAT GUY!!! It is related to boring SoD itself and its LFR difficulty. If you think THAT GUY shouldnât come on LFR or the difficulty on LFR should be increased then they should put OTHER WAYS to get that transmogs, pets, mounts and everything inside it.
Only chest transmog left⌠This torment will be over shortly I hope⌠
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At this point LFR should be a solo scenario (1-5). Just get rid off that abomination and embrace it for what it truly is⌠Giving everyone a shot at the story and some loot upgrades.
I think you forgot too how many times we wiped in LFR on for example Dance boss in Nathria. Or Wrathion in Nyalotha. Or football boss in that same raid. etc.
The way it looks sylv is on the easier lfr end boss-list. I canât compare it with previous bosses like Nzoth or KJ on LFR that stayed for the whole patch a wipe-boss. Sylv is already for months 9 out of 10 times a 1 shot.
That 1 guy with <200 gear is not wiping the whole raid. Maybe he dies early but still a lot of other people need to duck it up. The problem with Sylv is that it is long.
Oh dear. You looked at my mainâs armoury and you think you know everything there is to know about me. Not only that, you call me a mythic raider. Two kills, of the 2 easiest bosses in the raid, late in the tier when everyone is overgeared, does not make a âM raiderâ and I promise you, real mythic raiders are laughing at the notion. Not only that, I donât even have curve yet this tier. On my main.
Very wrong. My guild does raid mythic, and theyâre past the Nine, but Iâm not on the mythic raid team. Iâm not good enough.
I donât farm transmogs. I have better things to do with my time.
The only reason Iâve been in LFR on this character is because Sylvanas drops a guaranteed shard of domination if you havenât already received one that week and I didnât have a complete set for the bonus effect. Iâve done it on lower geared alts because I was hoping to get an upgrade, or just to clear the âkill Sylvanasâ quest from my log.
Nah, 2 (maybe 3) wipes, and I leave. Thatâs on any character and in any âfarmâ raid, regardless of level. (Progress is a different matter.)
The way LFR is tuned, if everyone is adequately geared, you can still kill her comfortably if a third of the group is dead by the end of phase 2. If youâve got a few overgeared people in the group, you can do it with more dead. As long as the people who are left alive know how to play their class and actually do mechanics.
And you believe this is the reason why LFR should be made easier? (Although, as someone has already said, you couldnât make it much easier without removing the mechanics entirely.)
The problem with your idea that LFR bosses should be little more than target dummies that give loot is that people like the guy in your story will do it and think, âHey, this raiding stuff is fun. And itâs a lot easier than I thought. Iâm gonna join one of those groups running normal. No, screw that, Iâm gonna do HEROIC. Iâm gonna get that ahead of the curve achievement.â
We had someone in MYTHIC Eye on Sunday who wiped us, more than once, because he didnât know the heroic mechanics. Heâd killed the boss on HC, multiple times, but he must have got lucky with his groups, and been carried. This is the kind of thing that happens when raiding is too easy. People think theyâre good enough to progress to the next difficulty level because they killed the boss in a single pull when the reality is that they survived because of good (or overgeared) healers.
Thatâs something that already happens. Just imagine how much worse it will be if they make LFR even easier. LFR, normal dungeons, heroics, even M0⌠these are places to learn. They are places where mistakes are not punished too harshly, where people can learn their class and learn some simple mechanics before attempting something more difficult. They are not a âfree passâ for people who just want to complete a quest that is not part of an ongoing chain (I think dungeon bosses should be removed from covenant campaign requirements, btw).
If theyâre going to make any changes to LFR, I think they should set a maximum ilvl as well as a minimum. That would prevent people like âthat guyâ from being carried by overgeared groups and thinking raiding is easy.
Crazy panda kiddo troll vs colosally entitled crybaby. You never answered ellipsisâs very reasonable question so I can only assume the answer is anything that doesnât cause you a wipe or inconvenience is OK.
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People dont queue for LFR anymore since it is 5 months old. And for gear nobody needs to do LFR.
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People donât queue to LFR for gearing from the first day of 9.1.5 because Korthia gives 233 while even M+15 end dungeon gives a 236. Not everything is gear-focused in this game. What if they are looking for Sanctum Gloomcharger? Hmmm? Will they wait 3 hours 14 min. for each alt to farm it? Donât you really think something is wrong here?
OMG, Iâve just realised I wasted part of my life trying to have a conversation with someone trolling on a level 10 alt.
My mistake, and I wonât waste any more of my time here.
If you want to rely on full groups of people wanting the mount (i suppose it is a mount), then indeed dont be surprised you have to wait for 3 hours for a full raid. Has nothing to do with overtuned.
So you think 3 hours of the queue is not a surprising thing? Really?
Maybe the raid can be boring or overtunned and this is why people donât queue for it?
I am already surprised people are farming a mount with all their alts. I goi 142 mounts. There is definitely 1 ground and 1 flying mount in that collection that i like to use.
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Most of the people are doing it. %10 of accounts have 400 mounts achieve already.
When it is 10% then it is definitely not most. Maybe most of the people in LFR are doing it. That is why your queue is that long. There are not that many people doing it.
Most is usually more than 50%.
Dear friend. There are not that many people who farm LFR on all their alts for collecting the mount. And since all the other people have no need of LFR anymore, you are waiting for the other collectors to fill your LFR raid group. That is why you have to wait for 3 hours.
So now you normalize waiting 3 hours in the queue. Well done. But as a warning: In the short future, the game will be completely unplayable with this approach of yours.
I canât help it we are 5+ months into the tier. Most players have done it already. That is not an approach of me, it is just time that is ticking.
Hmm hmmm, it is normal. Wait more than 5 hours for a queue. Enjoy.