I can’t speak for him here but, keep in mind that the spec which I and he wants to play was deleted in favor of your MSV.
Having said that, MSV doesn’t have to go in order for RSV to come back.
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Yes, I hope it dies because your beloved meme came at the expense of the most popular hunter spec and my favorite spec for over 6 years. All because 5 people in the whole world want to play a stupid melee hunter.
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We didn’t stab Ranged Survivalists in the back in a dark alley. The spec got changed and we just happen to like it now. Wanting Ranged Survival back is one thing, being mean to us is just nonsense. You can ask for it as an extra spec. You can ask for it as a Marksmanship build. Why do you want us to be punished for no reason?
Yes, we want to play melee hunter. It is absolutely not ridiculous. The Ranger archetype in D&D, on which Hunter is based, is melee just as much as ranged. Not to mention the obvious, that PEOPLE HUNTED WITH SPEARS. It’s ridiculous that there wasn’t a melee spec from the beginning. If you have ONE reason why a melee hunter is so freaking stupid, please enlighten me.
You might think there’s 5 of us, but we are here and do want to play it. We didn’t kill your beloved spec, so direct your nostalgic anger somewhere else.
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It still remains to be seen if MM will be any good in arena come SL. Right now it’s doing some damage but I don’t expect it to make it to live. If that is the case then SV will still be the Hunter representative in most forms of pvp esp arena. If the spec was that rubbish then people like Dilly, Kasu, Facile and Jellybeans would certainly not be playing it. BTW the first three names all made it through to the AWC BFA circuit and actually competed as SV.
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There would be more if the spec didn’t suck 
I’ve tried maining SV because I love the concept of it, just didn’t work out because it’s bad.
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There are worse specs out there than SV. Just saying.
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As much as I enjoy MSV, the fact I -among MANY others- had to give up our favorite spec for a thing people, at the case of sounding very elitist, who did only open world content or LFR asked for is a big oof.
It was debated to no end as far back as MoP I recall and even further back, general consensus was a) memers b) very casual players and c) clueless people who REALLY wanted the spec.
I’m all for more diverse specs, but the game really didn’t need to take one RANGEd spec away to give us TWO WHOLE MELEE SPECS in the same expac, when melee is already crowded and frankly, we don’t bring anything to the table MM or BM doesn’t already bring all while being at range.
This isn’t me saying you’re not allowed to enjoy MSV or hell, have it as your favorite but denying the fact it was a bad dev decision is not a thing we should brush aside either.
It could’ve been a 4th spec or better yet, taken BM which was what initially people wanted as melee due to Rexxar pre-Legion rewrite into “Survival hunter not Beastmaster”.
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That’s what I’ve been doing for quite a while now.
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Forgive me for being direct but you have 2 ranged hunter specs to play and many of other classes. A melee hunter is within the game fantasy and more than everything is REALISTIC as a hunter with melee one/two hands weapons such as a spear or a blade was around throughout human history.
And it’s not like you “Ranged” hunters play both specs, most of you anyway play
“2 bottons” BM spec solely so now you wish to destroy other people fun?
Either way, you can have another ranged hunter spec if that’s your thing but NOT ON OUR EXPENSE.
SV is to stay as melee, it is very popular in PvP and has a lot of people like me who main it also for PvE. It is a very fun and diverse spec with lots of potential if only we receive some love of Blizz dev team.
As I mentioned before a few changes would dramatically improve the spec if only someone would hear our SV hunters calls…
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If you want old SV back, why not just make a 4th spec like druids.
Add all the dots and whatever you personally feel like you need to add to it.
A melee hunter spec is fine, it’s my favourite hunter spec, I was BM before this but SV is such a fun unique spec. Compared to just.
Range with no pet, range with red pet, Range with pet and dot.
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I know, I’m with you. This was a reply to the person who felt that melee HAS to die for ranged to come back.
I can understand why old survivalists are salty, to be fair. It was poor judgement to delete a popular spec to create a new one. Not only was it insensitive towards people who played it, it also made people who chose melee survival an unjustified target for that backlash. The spec wouldn’t be nearly as maligned if it was a 4th option from the start.
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I think Blizz said their biggest regret was adding flying mounts into the game. I bet when Ion’s watch is over (hopefully sooner rather than later) that he will come to admit his biggest mistake was axing RSV. No one decision has ever divided a community as much as this one did and I doubt the damage can ever be repaired.
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Halelujah to this.
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hunter shall always use bow, its in their class icon!
using a gun is only allowed if u are dwarf
to run around with a stat stick without a bow or gun and u are no longer hunter.
class icon should auto change to warn others that u dont have bow, classname also
hope in sl mm or bm works in arenas, else i might drop hunter for the first time in 10 years
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The only class in the game to use bows and guns as weapons gets 1 of its specs turned into a melee, with the Legion iteration falling flat on its face while the BFA version parses below both the other specs.
Also its still a fraction of the popularity the old ranged survival was.
I think melee spec hunter should be gone, and instead all hunters should have deadzone back, with survival and (possibly) BM having more tools to also benefit from fighting in melee occasionally.
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Thanks but no thanks. The dead zone was one of the worst things ever implemented for Hunters. Having played Classic for the past year I can tell you experiencing the dead zone again sux donkey balls.
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That’s fair, I think that deadzone rose the skillcap of a hunter significantly and created good counter play options against them- Though it wasn’t without it’s problems, which is why I’d imagine something like your melee attacks (e.g. Raptor strike for all specs) would reduce the cooldown of disengage or something similar.
In my view hunters should be able to do everything on the move, unrestricted, ranged. That was (always) their core strength and core utility, which made them (and still makes them) very valuable for soaking things in raids and dungeons as well as completing special objectives. The downside to this limitless mobility and damage on the move obviously is making the hunter class somewhat less equipped for melee combat, which the deadzone reflects. However, specs like survival and/or beastmastery could have baseline options that make them more suited to deal with melee.
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The problem with adding deadzone back is the way raid mechanics work these days, been plenty of fights where you have to group soak or just stack up and with most melee being wheelchair users it would render hunters pretty bad in such situations.
I agree that it made a skillcap between a good and a bad hunter, but leave deadzone in the past.
Also imagine saying MSV is the most fun when its very obvious the popularity is a niche, a very small niche compared to old RSV. I say as someone enjoying MSV.
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Did you check for data or did you just assume that? Survival has been above Marksman for the majority of the expansion.
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In player popularity, not in raidlogs.
The class lost more than 1/3rd of its playerbase overnight in Legion and (survival) remains at the bottom in BFA in terms of popularity, whereas before it was among the most popular. And it will, come Shadowlands.
I don’t really think melee (focus) has any place in a class that is (so far) the only one that uses ranged weapons.
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