Shadowlands class feedback : Retribution focus

[Stormenson-outland (Stormenson)]

You know that until now there is no announcement for Something new. what ever you read in the posts about Retribution paladin for shadowlands are old spells,traits or talents that comming back.
There is no yet something completly new. like for example it was wake of ashes for legion or final verdict for Wod, while some other classes getting new abillities, like Shammy ,lock priest.

I really wait for a new non passive abillity with new name and icon .
Until now it feels like patch change and not actual expansion for retri paladin

Sanctified wrath talent is the trait from azerite

Empyrean Power talent is a trait from azerite a bit reworked

Wake for Ashes baseline , they talk about it as a new feature jeez

Auras, No comment here, passive abillitys are boring and the new retribution aura , pfff imagine pressing an aura like you do in classic and then wait for someone to die to have an effect.

Blessing of Sacrifice , Hammer of Wrath , Sense Undead , Shield of the Righteous , Turn Evil , and Word of Glory

all of them are old abillitys , nothing new . why they show them as expansion features i dont know.

[Healing Hands] new passive talent about lay on hands.
imagine again having a talent in a row that you will never use for pvp because the abillity which gets improved from it is not usable in rated pvp.

nothing new yet. it doesnt feel new expansion yet for retri paladin.

i am waiting to see a new abillity that does something nice and has a nice visual for a 2020 expansion.

legion had new talents. active and passive.
wod had new talents .active and passive.
Until now shadowlands have nothing new, maybe its early , i wait.

[Shihiroki-kirin-tor]

@Stormenson-outland

Empyrean Power talent is a trait from azerite a bit reworked

From 4PT16 bonus to Baseline then to deleted then to trait then to talent. It’s meh, it’s better baseline, like it used to be !

[Stormenson-outland (Stormenson)]

yeah its disquasting what they actually doing with retri paladin atm and the worst thing is that they present it as ‘‘new cool features’’.
Old rusty abillities gonna get recycled in this expansion .
I cant wait to say to my 2v2 partner in discord please die so my retribution aura can proc.

I am tired of divine purpose
i am tired of fist of justice changing every expansion from minus seconds per holy power to flat 30 and then back to minus seconds per holy power.
i am tired of the old things that come and go all the time.
give us something new,good and cool for retri specc

[Shihiroki-kirin-tor]

We had good abilities that I still wish to see back (Exorcism). I’m still waiting for Lothar’s might. And even some great added stuff were taken from us (I liked final verdict, in a way)

[Rastah-burning-blade]

If they are going to bring auras back I’d like to suggest they bring a new one to the table.

**Aura of Stupidity:**Range: 40 yards. Enemies casters who stand in the paladins aura suffer minor brain damage and lose 50% mana and intelect. Melee attackers get the debuff “butterfingers” and have a 10% chance of hitting themselfs in the face, getting stunned for 2 seconds and inflict 25% of the damage to themselfs

Pretty please Blizzard, don’t remove Kings and give us back excorcism. That’s all.

[Schwzenegger-sylvanas (Schwzenegger)]

@Rastah-burning-blade

If they are going to bring auras back I’d like to suggest they bring a new one to the table.

**Aura of Stupidity:**Range: 40 yards. Enemies casters who stand in the paladins aura suffer minor brain damage and lose 50% mana and intelect. Melee attackers get the debuff “butterfingers” and have a 10% chance of hitting themselfs in the face, getting stunned for 2 seconds and inflict 25% of the damage to themselfs

Meh, it would get nerfed half way through season 1.

[Meshuggahx-outland]

Still… it’s more interesting than anything Blizzard has come up with, right?

[Schwzenegger-sylvanas (Schwzenegger)]

Something having a freak factor normally makes it interesting, yes.

Aura of resilience: Depending on your distance from your target you gain a % speed increase.

Aura of Command: Read whatever data mining has revealed a potential aura that gives an extra attack based off your attack.

Aura of Light: MoP 3rd wind but as some re-hashed “holy” thing.

Aura of the Judge: Judgment now grants Long Arm of the Law. “But that’s OP”. I knew you’d say that.

Aura of Uther: You can now cast Exorcism because that is what the paladin is about at its core, reaching the bottom of your target’s soul, whether it is an ally or a foe.

COME ON BLIZZARD, DO SOMETHING UNIQUE!

Just jesting of course, aura of stupidity makes much more sense.

[Rastah-burning-blade]

Perfect reply.

[Hordehighelf-kazzak]

The Necrolord covenant ability seems decent for Retribution.

Divine toll is great, but you need 5 enemies for it to be effective, whereas holy just needs 5 targets, whether allies or enemies.

Here is the Necrolord ability for those who missed it.

Vanquisher’s hammer:

Instant, 30 seconds cooldown, deal immediate shadow damage and cause your next Templar Verdict to automatically trigger Divine storm for free.

Good single target damage boost, with AoE finisher. Raiders and PvPers rejoice. Potentially even mythic +.

[Meshuggahx-outland]

@Hordehighelf-kazzak

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I don’t think you need 5 enemies, I think you need 3 or more to make it the best talent overall, considering you also get a holy power for each enemy hit, so it’s like an extra TV or DS as well as the judgement damage.
For single target ye, I would pick something else, although we will have to see how everything goes. I still expect Divine Toll to be the best overall, and I even expect it to be gimped a little (maybe to 3 targets instead of 5).

[Meshuggahx-outland]

But I’m no authority… I just feel like it seems rather strong when comparing to most of the others.

[Spooki-draenor]

hmm i could see the necrolord one being slightly better tbh, it offers both ST and AoE, and prolly the best one for a mixed feel.

as the Divine toll… is useless ST wise

[Webionda-pozzo-delleternità (Webionda)]

Divine toll is really subpar damage. Judgement doesn’t hit hard at all even considering the debuff after and it’s on a 1 min CD. It’s basically an infinitely worse wake of ashes. On single target is just laughable. Literally 1 min CD judgement. No way we take it.

[Hordehighelf-kazzak]

My thoughts too. The Necrolord one seems more flexible and better overall.

[Liaara-drakthul (Liaara)]

do you remember the holypaladin without holypower until cata how boring the gameplay was ? holy light, flash of light spamming nonsense then cataclysm came to the game 90% percents of holy paladins were obsolete trash and another 10% became a god tier of aoe/single target healing at the same time, i loved it skill cap… and now the game evolved to something unique glimmer 2 buttons spam nonsense BFA in nutshell…

[Volgar-aerie-peak]

@Zenfár-argent-dawn

Seals :
I understand that seals don’t really fit into the current game but if there was one seal i’d like to see return its seal of command. Seal of command is an iconic ability for the class and for ret specifically. I’d love to see this seal come back with its old lil jump animation just for the hell of it, you know we all loved it.

I was very dissapointed when i saw that “the jump” from Crusader strike was removed in Cataclysm and was replaced by some dull attack animation. Crusader strike stoped being fun to press. Same goes for divine storm - you used to spin around and now you just raise your weapon.
I had fun playing with old Seal spells, so when they removed them and introduced combo point system, i stoped playing paladin and never really could get back at it (tryed many times). Maybe playing with holy power can be fun, but it just wasn’t in the last 5 expansions.

[Unbeatâbull-kazzak]

Baffling that ret still hasn’t received any mobility buffs. Nobody is expecting rets to be zooming around the field like Demon Hunters (with their burst, rets would be OP in PvP if they were) but even so, divine steed is garbage and it prevents ret being truly viable in PvP.

Either give divine speed some snare removal, give it a shorter cooldown or give ret a more reliable snare - a 30 sec CD on an easily-dispelable snare isn’t cutting the mustard.

[Unbeatâbull-kazzak]

@Zenfár-argent-dawn

Making this as of the class change preview posted on 07/4/20. While its nice to see some abilities come back or be made baseline i’m very disappointed with the focus on holy power. I was hoping that we’d finally see holy power get the boot and return to mana as a resource for all paladins. The return of auras is great, however retribution aura might be useful in pve, it will be almost completely useless in pvp. specifically arena.

Doing Damage:
what i’d like to see for retribution is a focus on proc style gameplay, Divine purpose/ Empyrean Power and Art of War are the best examples of this.

I’d like to see abilities like exorcism, crusader strike, consecration, divine storm, hammer of wrath and Wake of ashes be baseline abilities that Ret paladins have. In the past and present Ret paladins have had passives that allowed exorcism and divine storm to proc on auto attack damage/crits. Removing the combo system of holy power and replacing it with these proc style passives would be a much better improvement and what i feel a lot of other paladins my self included liked about the class from the beginning.

Seals:
I understand that seals don’t really fit into the current game but if there was one seal i’d like to see return its seal of command. Seal of command is an iconic ability for the class and for ret specifically. I’d love to see this seal come back with its old lil jump animation just for the hell of it, you know we all loved it. Perhaps it could be worked into the retribution aura as a passive effect of the aura?

PvP:
There a many issues with Ret when it comes to pvp in both battlegrounds/arena, primarily with movement and gap closers.

Judgement:
Long Arm Of The Law - Successful Judgments increase your movement speed by 50% for 3 sec. https://www.wowhead.com/spell=205279/long-arm-of-the-law
This was a talent that was removed in legion, i’d like to see it return as a baseline passive of judgement to help with gap closing and general movment of the class.

Divine Steed:
Steed Of Glory - Your Divine Steed lasts for an additional 2 sec.
While active you become immune to movement impairing effects, and you knock back enemies that you move through. https://www.wowhead.com/spell=199542/steed-of-glory

This is currently a protection paladin pvp talent, this talent would do wonders for rets movement in arena and battlegrounds, the immunity to movement impairing effects should be the baseline of what divine steed does with the knockback staying a pvp talent.

Hand of Hindrance:
Hand of hindrance is a 30 second, dispellable (15 second with a pvp talent, when dispelled) cool down slow. This ability should be made physical given that it has such a long cool down and its the only slow that ret currently has, abilities that remove slows/roots should still remove it of course.

Hammer of wrath:
I’d like to see hammer of wrath return to its former glory of being the “hard” hitting ret ability, when you active wings this should be the go to ability for that large burst attack ret is known for.

Divine shield:
For years divine shield has been one of the longest cool downs in the game, 5 minutes, currently there is a talent to reduce the cooldown on it to 3 mins. For Ret specifically i’ve always wondered why this ability wasn’t on 3 min cooldown as the baseline, rets biggest issue in arena is the lack of defence it has and having such a long cooldown on this ability is one of the main reasons that rets struggle to make the cut for most setups. many other classes in the game have immunity spells with way shorter cool downs and this would bring ret in line with them.

The main problem for paladins:
Holy power. Holy power This system has driven many players away from playing paladins, with the recent switch that shamans have had, i don’t see why paladins can’t receive the same treatment. I hope my fellow paladin players will join me in calling for an end to holy power and a return to Mana

These are my thoughts on paladins, Ret specifically going into shadowlands. thanks for reading

Agree with everything in this post for Rey’s although giving them all of that might be too much. Can’t give Rets the kind of uptime that DHs get because wings is so terrifying of a CD.

Long arm of the law baseline and hinderance being physical would be huge. Bearing in mind that we get hinderance from Blade if you pvp talent into it. You can always freedom before you steed for slow immunity.