Had nothing to do with being competitive. Just already only being able to enjoy the different playstyles. Or being able to enjoy the prefered covenant ability on a multi-spec class which wanted to use a different covenant per spec. Only solution was multiple chars of the same class/spec.
Blizz agreed also, after more than a year.
But when it was about competiteveness. Blizz tried to make us unhappy. By keeping us in the restrictive covenant which we did not wanted to be. It was not us doing unhappy things. It was blizzard making us unhappy.
Yeah man I guess I just disagree, I certainly didn’t need multiple of the same class to enjoy the covenants, I still don’t understand why you did. To each their own.
no one said i was unhappy about being hardlocked nightfae fire mage for the entire tier, god bless i made the right choice and played the optimal build even got PI an bunch that tier luckily didnt commit ventyr frost mage that playstyle was dogwater for season 1
You’re argument is that people are free to choice what covenant they wanted to be, sure thats correct in an sense but the players that actually did the content that the game offered in season 1 till the near end of season 2 it was not an choice at all, if you want to be an kyrian unholy dk feel free to do so
sure its just like dragonflight, you can do an +2, collect pets, do lfr or q random bg’s with any talent set you want, lil bro can literally spin the wheel and do any talent set.
However if we’re looking at challenging endgame content like pushing keystones, cutting edge raiding or rank 1 titles in pvp within an orginised enviornement or static group good luck but thats not who you are regardless off your covenant choice
No it’s not who I am, and it’s not who 90+ percent of the playerbase is but yet somehow it’s still opinions based on their criticism that are the most popular. So I don’t understand it.
You could very easily have been a Kyrian UH DK in mythic Nathria and still had a place just for AMZ. You could easily have been any spec/covenant combo and still have done ALL the content in the game.
Maybe the “most populair criticism” is the most populair because a lot of people are experiencing the same thing and agreeing with that criticism? I experienced myself how unfun the restrictiveness of covenants were. And there are a lot agreeing with that. But i did not experience this unfun thing because others were saying it. A lot of people just experience this same thing as unfun.
wouldnt call doing mythic castle nathria in 210-220ilvl as an kyrian unholy dk very easy especially when missing out on necrolord grip on council for 2 weeks, regardless i’d still argue that the way that the covenant system was introduced felt extremely restrictive and oppressing for players doing organised content
Sure man, maybe that’s what happened but I seem to recall the popular criticism about covenants on launch being that you were forced into choice based on performance.
I’m sure there were some people, like you that just wanted to play multiple covenants because they enjoyed different abilities purely for fun but that’s not the opinion that was being conveyed and it’s not what I’m referring to as “popular criticism”.
I feel like you must know deep down that you have a minority opinion that just happens to overlap with similar criticism but ultimately differs in root cause.
There’s a lot to like about Shadowlands, although they did get some things wrong, particularly with some of the narrative decisions and the obstructive nature of Covenants. Helping all 4 Covenants more should have been a thing; they were never your enemy or in competition with each other. It should have just been time-gated perhaps on when you could have a second, third and final Covenant.
I agree with everything you say really, and especially the Maw. It was fun to have this epic zone where if you died you lost currency, and you had only a certain amount of time before the Jailer would get you and kill you.
I think with WoW, everyone always hates on the present incarnation, and compares it unfavourably with what came before. Its not until DF and beyond that people will look back and think of it in a warmer way. It is the same with every expansion.
Even WoD is seen more favourably now, and tbh, without the Garrison, it wouldn’t have been half as bad.
Personally I think WoW has been in a great place since Legion, and is always getting better and better. I’m so proud of this game and being part of it still after all these years. We’re celebrating its 18th birthday, and it really feels like the game has matured. Not many games could be 18 years old, but still feel current and new.