Shady massive gold boosting operations and their impact

There is also sales for TLPD,aeo,void talon,poundfist.The problem is it kinda effects other players in some regards,as they keep some of those rares hidden in caves untill enough of buyers is guaranteed and this is just in the rare boost part of those communities.There is some times abuse of good will from some people(if they snipe some of those discords) that do this for free to help out people and get those rares.We are starting to witness a conflict of interest,at what time the thin line of “i am doing this to help out fellow players” or “lets build community to help others” becomes a thorn in the eye for those boost communities.
I feel like we are at the crossroad in the game and we are discuising where does the company want to take the game…the China example was a good wake up call.Nothing prevents it if they decided to overflood all of the channels and on mass try break some of the tos because they can afford it if it keeps them going.
The sad part is like with the old gold sellers it would take probably one maybe even two expansion too rot out and feel the effects if they decide to deal with this.

This is not just a problem for Retail WoW,but we also had examples over in Classic with the “Devilsaur mafia” who controled at that time the most regarded crafting resource.The after effects made them one of the richest classic players on the server.

So you are implying that boosting in PvE has no impact on PvP? Do you still think we have resilience gear and PvE trinkets are disabled on Arena and RBGs? :smiley:

I see it soo much now this gold boosting… and I even saw some youtube ad for boosting its pretty crazy

PvP was a mess before this whole Corruption business fiasco and BoEs, with there being no PvP vendor. That’s being brought back in SL, though still has the RNG tripe attached to it.

Would prefer they’d go back to what we had in Legion with baseline stats, and gear ilvl having a very minor increase on health. But people complained about THAT, and here we are with a worse situation on PvP being dominated by corruption and luck on procs…

I’m not gonna say it with certainty but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a way to turn blizzard cash into real money. There’s these scams going around where people turn giftcards into real money. I’m fairly certain you could cash out your Blizzard cash into real money through Diablo 3, but I’m not sure if that’s a thing anymore.

People get paid to boost
Buy tokens with the gold
Cash out
Profit

You can only use the funds to buy any other Blizzard product/service I believe.

I actually think corruptions are somehow good for arena at least they provided class diversity, I see even affli warlocks and feral druids sometimes, even Enchancement shammy, only once though, he died in 20 sec.

I wasn’t a fan of Legion PvP by the way, I think it was boring.

If only there weren’t so many boosters around corruption could’ve worked better and fair for players.

The way I believe it worked in Diablo 3 allowed you to cash out into (a friend’s) paypal. Basically, you’d have them put some item on the RMAH, you’d buy it, and the money would go into their paypal. Then they would just give it to you. One of the points of the RMAH was that you could make money from it, and Blizzard took I believe a 15% cut from all transactions. I imagine a boosting operation as sophisticated as this will have a much more optimized way of converting Blizzard cash into real money. I know the scams with the walmart giftcards use crypto somehow to convert the cards into a valuable currency, but I don’t know exactly how it works.

Oh yes I know about that, but I was talking about how it is now.

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The boosting culture in WoW is a plague, a virus, and it’s only spreading.

The WoW token doesn’t help whatsoever, yet sadly Activision-Blizzard will never do anything to reduce or prevent boosting because of how “legal” it is, even though a lot of the sales through Discord and other 3rd party programs are accepting real money for their boost services.

It’s a disgrace. Honestly.

Yes, I (and anyone else) can ignore it like “It doesn’t effect me, I don’t care” but that’s very ignorant because the problem still persists & expands… and in the end, it WILL effect me/you if it isn’t already.

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The proper ones don’t. Gallywix boosting community is probably the most known one which has a discord but they do not accept RMT in any way.

Gold boosts will eventually kill this game, but I hope I will get bored with it before that

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I agree with you here. I miss the days when you could be proud of your gear as it reflected what you had accomplished… now people wonder if you bought boosts.

I agree with this, however many won’t grind for gold, they just want to get in and do the stuff they want to.

Removal of the token wouldn’t stop the issues. I think more people would quit if the token was taken away.

I’d like to see more restrictions on how many tokens buyers and sellers can trade before they hit the limit.

Currently this is how it stands:

Limitations and Restrictions

You may use the in-game Shop to purchase a maximum of 20 Tokens per week.

This is madness and should be brought right down.

A maximum of 10 Tokens purchased with gold in your inventory at one time

I guess that is why there are so many 10 box herbalists out there.

Is there a limit for tokens bought with gold?

I found this:

The maximum amount of Blizzard Balance you can have on your account is €350, or €110 if you don’t have an Authenticator linked to your account.

Sources:

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yea they do, because they keep a good chunk of money from the deal as well.
Also you actually don’t know if there would be 0 players buying tokens for money, you might be still able to buy tokens for gold

I wonder who are all those people who actually pay.

Like, what for are you playing the game?

Also, if you need a boost, I’m sure you don’t need a boost))) wanna get boosted for gear? You don’t need that gear cos obviously you won’t be able to apply it, cuz you suck at the game. Boost for rio? That’s even worse. Useless, cos you can’t play anyway, seems like.

Sheep.

Small minded perspective. Imagine having tens of millions of gold to spend on whatever and then you decide to create a demon hunter, enh shaman alt and you want mythic raden weapon. Your guild doesnt run mythic alt runs and you can either pay 500k-1mil for raden boost or try to find a raden pug. Of course there will be people who are willing to pay for boost because getting raden weapon for 1 mil is a good deal for them. I know this is kinda specific case but I bet there are a lot of other similar situations.

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WTB Company integrity, will pay gold cap!

not necessarily. We got old promotional mounts and stuff, that are sold for 2000$ or more.

They’re directly being sold in many different websites. Not all of it goes directly into blizzard.

It’s a problem that not many people are willing to give credit for and most of time you’re met with " No one is gonna buy that amount of boosts " and " boosted players won’t affect your gameplay experience "

Yet, the sadly reality is the number of boosted players in this game is so huge that you always end up seeing one or two every couple of runs.

It’s even crazier when the boosted players are boosted by other means from blizzard with “welfare gear” and the like.

These communities are so huge, and in leagues with the best guilds and are boosting people 24/7, it’s problematic because it is basically filling the game with unhealthy attitude and outright destroying the economy and ruining people’s experience indirectly.

Now to discuss how big of an issue this is then I’ll give a couple of examples.

Gold inflation, and making it hard for people that don't participate in these type of actions / buying tokens / buying WoW gold

Now, how does this work? well it’s pretty simple, I’m a guy that gets 100k gold a week from boosts.

I don’t look at AH prices, and buy up what every I need from consumables, flasks and whatnot, this is evident by flasks being prices at 1k and above, in some cases 2k

While players that earnestly gain their gold, be it by farming, using professions or ah flipping or just doing content are forced to not buy or buy tokens or participate in boosting.

Now, Professions would be a good answer… but no.

Because of the rampantly insane gold inflation caused by this behavior, The market values are actually negative especially at the start of a major patch / expansion.

As in mats cost massively higher than crafting the real thing ( in some cases double them! ), you’d think this is absurd as no one would buy them… but it happens and quite frequently, making farming mats / using professions an frustrating experience because your mats rarely sell because well the prices fluctuate so much.

To make matters worse, the rampant use of botting / multi-boxing that is in action floods the AH, making farming mats simply a pain, and making profit from them way harder.

This results in players playing the game like you always used to do simply not an option, as you will always be at a negative gold income unless you spend an absurd amount of farming… or just buy tokens/sell boosts.

Toxic PuG environments, and making the game harder for people that want to push their way up

This is one of the main problems caused by boosting, indirectly.

Boosted players are flooding the pug queues, you’d invite a 2k rio mage, with AoTC and they wouldn’t even know some boss tactics, it happens ALOT.

Infact it happens so frequently that nearly every group I pugged had one of those, unless it’s a very high key that not a lot of people buy boosts to gain validity for.

This makes pugging around the +10-15 levels frustrating, and frankly toxic.

Because it is no longer accurate, and people joining these are not good enough for them, this causes people to get frustrated and just give up immediately… especially the boosted players as they just can join another group that is willing to carry them.

This causes players to want to filter as much as they want, and to be very demanding on requirements in fear of not being able to finish content which promotes another unhealthy behavior.

Right now, I can level up a freshly 120 character and create a full heroic nya’lotha run and actually clear a good chunk of it, and if I took the time to gear my fresh 120 a little bit and get the cloak I can full clear ( Note : I have done it and I’ve seen people do it )

So how does it happen?

Well, because a lot of people are boosted, directly by buying boosts ( or by getting gear they don’t deserve ) the queues are flooded with super geared people, especially at the start a raid tier.

Do this, log one of your lowest geared 120 characters even if they are super undergeared, and just create a Heroic Nya’lotha group titled : Raden HC

You’ll people in doves, most of which aren’t really good enough for it.

Now, the point of saying all this is… there are legitimate players that don’t look for boosts and actually try and give it their best.

But they are being repelled by the insane requirements being put inorder to filter boosted players.

The boosted players won’t care, as they already got their achievements and gear, and it takes abit of effort to spot one, especially if you aren’t experienced in pugging.

We’ve all seen the type of complaint : I try my best and want to learn, but no body takes me because everybody wants geared people with AoTC.

No one is taking 445 ilvl people for Heroic Nya’lotha, infact no one is taking 460 ilvl people for it anymore, because getting that ilvl is easy and obtained by a lot of people that don’t deserve it, making the game hard for people that actually want to play it and forces them to … buy boosts.

Now even if you have the Ilvl, people still won’t take you, they want experienced people because they want to filter boosted players that got their ilvl unfairly and that serves to repel legitimate players that want to actually try and progress in the game.

Another effect of boosted players flooding the pug queues is that it starts to make people point fingers at each other, making it so that whenever someone fails even if it was a genuine fail, people would get angry and leave.

Devaluing entry level content and making it hard to learn, make it so brute forcing is the way to go

Because players are being boosted in huge numbers, this devalues entry level content and makes it so people no longer try to actually learn and progress as they can just brute force these, and in some cases skip them entirely.

You’ll see much more groups for +10-15 than there is for +2-+7 for example.

Normal Nya raids are rarer than heroic Nya, and in some cases people entirely skip Normal Nya’lotha because they overgear it extremely.

This is because boosted or not, having good gear will just make this type of content obsolete and quite frankly a waste of time.

So what happens if you have good gear and skip normal Nya’lotha…

Yep, you’ll join heroic Nya’lotha with zero knowledge, and it would be hell for you and the others unless you overgear it to the point of brute forcing it.

The same for M+, people wouldn’t bother with normal mythics, +2 or +4 or +7 that much, you can just jump straight to +10… or even 15! without knowing what to do… and it happens so much in pugs!

I’ve seen people tell me to be patient as they don’t know tactics… in a +16! really!?

And it happens quite often, you see a lot of complaint threads about toxic people in M+ or raids, because they aren’t patient with this tank that is doing +13 without even knowing the route which leads me to my next point.

False sense of own ability, and inability to know how good others are

This one is abit self explanatory.

An example of this was simple, we had a leader 478 ilvl Hpala… blaming dps for dying to fail damage on heroic N’zoth so I look at details.

our top healer is 40k hps followed by two others doing 30k hps and said pala at 26.8k hps

I look at death logs, surely out of the first 8 people that died, they died to encounter damage, besides 2 DH that died to aggro from Physcus and basher tentacle.

One of them is said leader that died from… the purple poo that physcus leaves on the ground.

Giving players huge gear, and boosting them to achieve stuff has made players not have a sense of how good they are.

Had a friend that kept telling me they are good and how serious they are, they killed Hc N’zoth before I did!
And when I joined them in a group, they didn’t do 70% of my dps, ignored most tactics and just kept dpsing without paying attention to details.

I suggest that they aren’t as good as they think they are and they should try and improve > boom I’m toxic and elitist.

This behavior can be seen a lot, especially in the form of complaints on reddit or the wow forums or other fansites.

You’ll see tons of people calling pugs toxic, and start blaming others when in reality they are the problem. this is because they think they are good enough because they have the gear / achievements for it, which they got by unfair means such as being boosted directly/indirectly or bruteforcing stuff.

As much as I buy into the fantasy of being a rich merchant that hires skilled adventurers to do you bidding, I think this is rarely if ever the case especially with tokens, gold selling sites and botting being as rampant as they are now.

I think it is super unhealthy for the game, and it ruins the gameplay experience of others directly and indirectly and it deters new players from the game.

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It’s so funny when people are like horses, they see only in the front, but forget that there is right and left.
Hmmm…okay, let me explain it for you why people buy boosts. There are a few reasons:

  • you have a alt and you want to bring your alt fast for a competitive ilvl because you want to PVP with it
  • you have a alt and your guild doesn’t do alt runs but you still want to gear it
  • you are a person with limited playtime that can’t keep a progress schedgule (certain days, certain hour, certain time) due to job, family, whatever…
  • …and so on

Not everyone that is buying boosts, means they are noobs. For example you come here and say that others are noobs, but you don’t even have the first boss on mythic completed. Why? Are you a noob?
Even Method players boost themselves. For example they reach a boss on mythic that they can’t pass due to a missing class in the raid, boom someone makes fast a alt, they boost him in HC and first bosses on mythic and then they continue. That means Method are noobs?
What a sick and primitive mentality. No wonder the state of the game is how it is.