Playing ret paladin and seeing shaman on the opposite side doing much more DPS, healing and be better at tanking and basically all aspects of the game has been frustrating.
Now I am watching a stream how shaman is fast solo xp boosting its own alts without any struggles in SM Library and shamans will be able to solo dungeon boost itself from 40 to 50 next phase (in ZF etc). Any nerfs soon?
i love how gnomergan parse went from like 10k shaman to 200k shaman .
P2 ? more like world of shaman
I’m just slapping kids in 39s on mine but it’s already boring so I’m levelling an ally to slap shamans 
Class with Bubble and Lay on Hands complaining.
Paladins which mind you are a hybrid class are currently doing better damage than rogues - a pure dps class - in Gnomeregan. Nerf when?
Hello there.
ttps://sod.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/2008/#sample=7&dataset=95
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ttps://sod.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/2008/#sample=1&dataset=99
It is worth keeping in mind that paladins got a massive buff yesterday, so parses from last reset are not of interest.
Makes absolutely NO SENSE to work on 99th percentile as a basis unless you want to balance classes around the top 4 percentiles players… which obviously nobody does.
If anything this proves that paladin are harder to compete with and require very specific setup (and terribly boring gameplay but that’s another story).
Regardless even at 99%, enh is still by FAR the best melee.
And even if you work with a medium, paladin is actually the worst melee dps class while, again, shaman is top tier, 2nd to melee hunters, beating rogues, ferals, paladins and warriors.
ttps://sod.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/2008/#sample=7
Yes, shaman is broken.
Beg your pardon, I forgot the relevant percentile and period of time is whichever one proves your point.
Should have stopped at dps and tanking but you had to ham it up by adding healing. FYI shamans are last as healers, yes even holy paladins parse better. If it wasn’t for Shamanistic Rage I doubt resto shamans would even be taken.
As for the damage shamans do… no one was complaining or caring about shamans in P1 when the dps specs were memes, and people bring up Shamans being buffed since the start as if it is some privilege. While dps paladins were enjoying P1 dps shamans were waiting, all that time, looking at all the other classes having fun.
Comparison is the thief of joy, stop caring about a class you have no competition with. Don’t worry, big burly enhancement shamans aren’t gonna steal your night elf priestesses by parsing better… or?
What exactly is the logic behind this?
Oh it’s definitely or 
night elf cuties love the big shaman totem.
Paladin got DPS from procs, so the DPS here is pretty random. This is why the 99 percentil isn’t really ideal on this one.
What i see is when u lower to 90 they are really weak and any range you use, shaman enh/tank is a little too high isn’t it xD ?
We are still bugged so its a nice buff that will boost our DPS around 5%.
SotC doesnt boost the damage of CS and SoM damage so we will still be weak until they fix that bug.
I expect our position not to move on the logs but be closer the the people above us.
I strongly disagree ,that makes a lot of sense to work on 99. But exceptionnaly paladin got a DPS that ranges du to randomness of procs.
I think whats making the top dps Rets have around 700 dps is one of the guys has The Jackhammer which is BiS for Retribution but its almost impossible to get but that weapon is so crazy it adds roughly 200 Dps.
We cant be balanced around having a weapon that has 0.01% drop chance. We need to be balanced around the weapons in Gnomergan. With those weapons even with the buff our DPS has beem improved 5% with the last buff but that won’t be enough considering we are 40% behind Shamans on 99% parses.
They aren’t in 90-100 percentile parses. You have the best interupt in the game which is important in the Raid on the last 2 bosses.
We don’t bring a lot of damage right now and we don’t bring anything else to the raid. We have improved Might that benefits 3 people in a raid for a minor damage boost. We can’t even interupt anymore because we are locked into Exorcism and Art of War.
Shamans bring S+ tier tanking, melee dps and range dps and healing. Paladins bring F tier healing and melee dps and A tier tanking.
Shamans bring better buffs then Ret. They bring Wind Fury, 26 Str and Agility. Thats better than 100 attack power for a lot of classes and Wind Fury is the best buff in the game and nothing comes close to that.
They are hybrid why do they get to be good whilst we are bad? Do you think horde players are happy they or OP or sad? They are happy because they get easy clears and Wind Fury easy in every raid group. Whilst Alliance and Paladins suffer.
Rogues you get easy life in PvP and your way stronger than Ret there. For PvE you are stronger than us right now as well. I’m not saying Rogue doesn’t need anything going forward in PvE you just are not as in a dire straight as Ret right now. Long term is would be smart to give Rogue some value in the Raid but Paladins are extremely bad right now.
Mate, it’s been in the game since it launched two decades ago. It didn’t yield many raid invites prior to SoD.
Middle of the pack damage and plenty of valuable buffs.
Idk people just keep talking about some hybrid tax so I just hopped on the bandwagon.
Were Alliance players happy in phase 1 when paladin was OP and shaman was trash?
Don’t play one, can’t comment, don’t care.
Paladin was middle of the pack in phase 1. Now we are buttom below feral + everything else if you dont count Frost Mage. The misinformation coming from you is anstounding.
The two worse melees in phase 1 were Enhancement and Retribution Paladins. The logs were just inflated for 2 weeks because Rets had Verigans Fist going into BFD but after other melees got weapons we fell behind hard.
Theres major problems with our runes because they messed them up from phase 1. They dont work with abilities or talents because they are bugged and we have all paladin runes slot choosing between utility or damage so everyone takes damage.
Its so messed up right now Prot, Ret and Holy all take the same Rune Setup. The best part is if they nerfed all of our damage Runes it wouldnt change anything because the other Runes choices dont bring damage so we would still take the nerfed damaging ones.
We are the only class that has damage runes competing with utility runes making every paladin go the same rune set up. The only thing wr lack as Paladins is damage too, we dont need utility so thays the worst part about this. We take the runes for damage and still do bad damage.
Let’s be honest, we happy to see sham shine in PVE zugzug. Now it break BG, let’s fixe BG hope it doesn’t break zugzug.
Comparing PVE is weird. You press buttons boss will die DW