Shaman nerfs are overkill and you need to buff the class

knowing full well that a topic title like this will draw in the frothing shaman haters, i’m going to do my best to remain objective.

shaman is bad right now.

you overnerfed all shaman specs.

it was justified in phase 3 because some of the things they could pull off was very broken.
that being said, we are lvl 60 now.
we’re in phase 5.
those scaling issues are starting to rear their ugly heads as good shaman players warned you would happen.
at lvl 50 this was not an issue because A: its lvl 50 and there is 0 scaling problems for anyone who isn’t a warrior at that level, and B: alongside nerfing what little scaling we did have, you decided to also continue to apply nerf after nerf after nerf.

the doomsday scenario people such as myself warned you about (IN EVERY SINGLE PTR FORUM BTW) are now unfolding.

shaman dps in pve is bad.
shaman can’t WF even a clothie to death in pvp now.
shaman literally cannot even heal right now.

pvp aura reduces all healing by what, 30%?
you absolutely gutted mental dexterity by removing the healing bonus on it entirely.
you removed the ability to maelstrom heal with healing wave and chain heal.
you flat out nerfed riptide and earth shield by 50% in a recent stealth nerf.
you removed the ability to proc powersurge for riptide and flame shock and turned it into an abominable trash spell.
can’t run overload cus i need to dedicate the rune slot to 2h specialization.
can’t run burn and mental dex at the same time.
can’t run feral spirit and S/E/F at the same time.
can’t run lightning shield runes of ANY kind and riptide at the same time.
can’t run improved ghost wolf (which is an awful rune that should have made the spell instant cast from the get-go btw) and earth shield at the same time.

so ok, how am i supposed to interpret this if not a blatant attempt at just deleting the class?
all these things combined is nothing short of total overkill, and now, in pvp, i cannot heal myself… on a class that is supposed to be a versatile hybrid… who also, up till this point, had to rely on self-sustain due to a total lack of any and all CC and defensive cooldowns to have any influence in pvp.

i have already reached rank 13, playing my shaman as enhancement in pvp, and let me tell you; it was NOT a fun experience.

my damage output as an RNG based burst spec can’t even kill an unshielded mage, let alone a tough class such as a warlock, and forget about boomkins, paladins, warriors, and bears, and this is WITH hand of ragnaros and BIS gear equipped.

my lava burst CRIT (note: CRIT - NOT “HIT”) for 900 damage on a good day.

MY BANDAGES ARE HEALING ME MORE THAN SPAM-CASTING MY HEALS BRO

can we stop deluding ourselves into believing shaman is still running around clapping armies of enemy players and make some fixes to enhancement?

few suggestions oriented at PVE:

  1. add 2h attack rune for glove slot
  2. if no 2h rune for enhancement, fix molten blast damage output and allow it to proc maelstrom stacks.
  3. allow enhancment to scale from agility, 1 AP per 1 Agi.
  4. 2h specialization rune and dual wield specialization runes baseline.
  5. delete static shock, let enhancement shaman use overcharged for their dps.

few suggestions oriented at PVP:

  1. revert earth shield and riptide nerfs.
  2. buff ghost wolf rune, instant cast for a start, add pvp boots speed increase on top of it. move it to a different rune slot, such as chest so i can use earth shield with it (this is assuming dw/2h specializations become baseline as well).
  3. give mental dexterity its healing bonus back, or at least half of it.
  4. increase earth shield spell pushback protection 30>60% so i can cast heals in combat.
  5. buff decoy totem to, in addition to its current effects, also remove active odd stuns (such as hunters frost trap, which for some reason counts as a magic stun instead of a root).
  6. shamanistc rage can be used while stunned, 15>20 seconds duration.

another fundamental issue with the design of the spec (enhancement btw, just a reminder) is that too many rune slots need to be dedicated just to make it function, which essentially cheats us out of having a choice at all.

you NEED to run mental dexterity (helm).
you NEED to run dw/2h specialization (chest).

these runes are non-choices, because if you don’t have these runes the spec doesn’t work.

another fundamental issue is having to activate runes such as mental dexterity to apply its benefits, and this can only be done with stormstrike.
so guess what; stormstrike gets parried or dodged?
too bad, you won’t have your scaling rune active now, for at least 6 seconds, and god forbid it happens twice in a row.

add to that (very big) problem, that our initial attack which is the most important one, going into a fight, is completely neutered damage-wise because the mental dex rune needs to be activated with a stormstrike attack to increase our damage and get it up to where it needs to be.
this means that if you proc WF before activating mental dex, that is a huge dps loss until the next ICD window.

the fact mental dexterity rune isn’t permanently active after using stormstrike just once is a spec-breaking issue.

the band-aid fixes to ele shamans using it are clearly beyond halfassed and needs to be addressed.

as does the fact that using reincarnation while having way of earth active resses the shaman up with earth shock having its full 6 second cooldown incurred, and also cheating us out of a GCD in the process.
again, design issue that is spec-breaking and just the most obnoxious thing ever - especially in a raid situation where you get combat ressed by a druid, cus the same problem happens; can’t taunt for 6 seconds + cheated out of GCD.

the fact the application of way of earth even incurs a global cooldown, and has been from the start, is actually mindblowing.

imagine if you got CR’d as a warrior, and the first thing that happens when you get up is that your shield block incurs its full cooldown and you get a GCD, like… ok.

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Yet you spent month trying to explain how shaman were barely ok during all thoses phases.
So you know what ? Do like all your die hard shaman friends and roll a boomy.

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and now that the shaman haters had their way, and it turns out i was 100% right when i explained those things and warned against it, what do you have to say about that?

also, what do you mean “all those phases”

shaman peaked in phase 2, was strong in phase 3, and every phase since then has been patch after patch of gutting nerfs that has now left the class dysfunctional for the entirety of phase 4 and 5, and it looks like its gonna remain this way in phase 6 as well, if nothing is done to change it.

enjoy the boomies btw.
they are thrice the nuisance ele shamans could ever dream of being.

I see more exaggerations than useful suggestions.
Especially the opportunity to play shamans as a shield tank is one of the best features classic ever had.

I know people have a hard time accepting this since 2005, but main focus of classic is PvE, not PvP.
I cannot stress this enough, there will never be balance, there is no arena and rating for a reason.

i must have pointed out and repeated that i am speaking about enhancement (not tank) at least 3-4 times throughout my post, and here you are… telling me i should be grateful because tank shaman is a thing and pve is the main focus in the game, not pvp.

i made exactly one point about tank shaman at the very bottom of the post, and that one has to do with inherent design flaw and is not a complaint about their power level.

another issue here is that people love to make pvp specific complaints when another class is strong, and say things like “but pvp is an important aspect of the game” and then when the class they hate gets nerf, they use the copout of “its a pve game, pvp doesnt matter”.
and that is just blatant hypocrisy.
you want to have your cake and eat it too, and that ain’t gonna happen as long as i draw breath.

ok, so what exaggerations am i guilty of making, exactly?
try to be specific.

oh, and in case you missed it (which i know you did, because you obviously didn’t read and just made your comment as a result of TL;DR syndrome) i am in fact talking about pve issues as well as pvp issues, there’s a whole section of suggestions aimed at pve issues for the class.

the fact you choose to focus on perceived exaggerations (note the word “perceived” being used here, because you can check other forums and see people saying similar things) and completely dismiss the many valid criticisms i am making is also just peak lvl 40 shaman alt posting.

This is a forum, players have different opinions.
If you are only looking for confirmation of your own views it’s the wrong place.

you’re not making arguments that justifies your opinion.

walking into a debate about a given topic and going “here’s my opinion and i refuse to elaborate on why i harbor it, but you’re wrong tho”.

that’s not how a discussion works.
if you want to make a point and argue why i’m wrong, that’s okay.
its about discourse after all.
that’s what a forum is for…

its okay to have your opinion, but if you can’t justify why its the “right” opinion, you’re just going to have people saying your opinion is wrong and move on, because you’ve given them no reason to take you seriously.

if you’re gonna walk into a room and spout an opinion, no matter how popular or unpopular, people will expect you to at least justify it, otherwise their dismissal of your opinion as bad or wrong, is in fact justified.

if i walked into a room and proclaimed that cannibalism is a good thing and i refused to say why, would you take me seriously or even send a second glance my way?
worse yet, would you just take my word for it and go “yes, true!”?
probably not.

I don’t need to justify my opinion, you need to accept that other opinions exist.

ok, so that’s awesome.
you have an opinion which happens to be unjustified.
i accept its existence, but i don’t accept it as valid.

in other words; if you can’t back up your opinion with some facts, you can consider it dismissed as irrelevant.

I think the class over time, due to some direct nerfs and other classes getting buffed, has slowly went back to being middle of the pack/low-end. I frankly don’t mind that much.

At the end of the day I place down my totems, I pay attention to mechanics and I perform well enough that they would need to annihilate this class with nerfs for my raid to not want to take me.

I sort of am happy with the fact that not everyone and their pet is piling on this class making up :poop: or exaggerating about this or that.

I wish they made Eye of the Storm talent proc each time you got Clearcasting as Elemental(that spell pushback is really aggravating).
Overall I wish they would have done more with totems- the defining aspect of this class. It would have been the easiest win to buffing the class in PvE while not making it too much to deal with in PvP(anyone can kill a 5hp totem). As things stand most totems are inconsequential.
Not to throw a fly in the ointment by bringing up paladins but I like a lot(ex holy paladin myself) what paladins got with longer blessings and being able to use multiple seals, totems could have used some touches here and there too.

If no changes are made to bring shamans up a bit that’s too bad, I’ve played mine since everyone was rushing through Durotar to be among the first to clear BFD and I think I’ll keep going and see where this show goes.

At this point I would like a lot more if the devs focused more on brand new content than fiddling with balance or trying to solve issues that took five expansions to fix on live.

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Damn well, sounds like a skill issue.

Isn’t that what you shamans always said in response to people argueing about your class being too powerful?

Maybe take your own advice.

Loving all the trolls being quiet with their antics.

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having basic functions not function is not a skill issue.
i.e mental dexterity not applying permanently (both before and after combat) is not something a player has any influence on - that is a design flaw.

not being able to heal cus healing has been gutted on top of the pvp aura is not a skill issue, that is a pure numbers issue.

i can’t outheal dot ticks when i’m spam healing (free casting) post combat because the numbers aren’t numbering.
hell, i can barely keep the health bar from going down while doing it.

a skill issue would be something like me dying to a paladin because i didn’t purge him.
a skill issue would be something like crying about lava burst cus you don’t even realize you have cleanse in your spellbook.

Would love that when there is a issue with any class there would be almost instant fix instead of waiting 2 months to see whats going on. Right now nothing is happening, at least not in pvp

inb4 Wave claims shaman is the most OP class in the game and needs more nerfs while paladins need to be buffed to high heaven

Shaman tears… so sweet.

So shaman tears = ok, paladin tears = not ok?

Well yes. I’ve been saying all along that they just want the class to be bad, they don’t care about balance at all.

just look all his post in P2-P3 about sham he’s a well known braindamaged troll .

Pala was already a great class in Era, only thing missing was taunt and better sustain.
Shaman was already a great class in Era, only thing missing was Shield option and better sustain.
They got it, now players want more. :sweat_smile:

Not to mention what Shaman and Pala already got on top of the most important things.
Players are never happy and their lack of appreciation is annoying af.

I went from a main tank to a maybe 1 boss tank because my threat is dog now, as a tank it’s really dumb you have to choose between 2 different play styles saying that i hate the spellhance where you take Elemental Fury. Damage output as tank is also abysmall like it does not make sense why molten blast does so little damage, why mental dexterity does not have a extra bonus for tanks too. Honestly everything started so well, then pink alliance dogs started crying that they want to be shaman so bad you have to actually nerf shaman and give them shaman tools but they dont want to be shaman and now it’s extremely undertuned as the one spec I was looking forward to play as this SoD experiment.

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