Then again, we know that a overload of magic/arcane gives one blue eyes. So it didn’t make sense for Highborne to not have those eyes.
(I’m scared, 5 people typing).
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This lore was added in later expansions, whilst high elves were added in Warcraft 2 if I’m not wrong. I’m not arguing from a lore perspective, because I don’t want new lore and, as far as I’m concerned, the battle is already won seeing as blood elves are in fact getting these options soon.
My argument is about the physical presentation of the races from a basic visual view point, not the lore behind them.
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Yeah I wasn’t a fan of how they introduced Void Elves either man
Then we simply have different demands from new features to this game
I would like Lore to back most (if not all) of the content that we can find in game.
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Nobody was, I think. But you’re advocating for a Void Elf 2.0 addition here. 
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Fair point actually
Edit: That said, if it wasn’t for the expectations of high elves and just overal better introduction I feel like Void Elves would have been received better
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Irrelevant, frankly, if your argument is that it’s about allowing players to represent themselves and giving choice. What came before (paleskin Belves) clearly doesn’t matter from what you have going forwards. If you want to crop stuff out of a gnome to make them more “humanlike” (size, bodtype) then why aren’t you doing the same for other races?
I don’t look like an elf irl. I don’t look like an orc (more’s the pity). But if I want to play an orc that represents my skintone surely I should have the CHOICE to do so, no? Or a draenei?
Unless you concede that suddenly choice/representation is not more important than a race’s inherent aesthetics when it comes to some of them?
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Then you’re free to headcanon to your heart’s content about the “origin” of these new skin options. I personally find it less edgy to just accept that they’ve always been there, and I find it very iffy to cling to whiteness being a defining feature of a race.
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That’s you projecting a certain idea and identity on me and I don’t like it.
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I like the origin story of the Void Elves.
It means they’re a very specific group of elves and you can’t just ‘become’ one as they were made due to a specific ritual being interrupted midway.
Problem really lies with how the playerbase doesn’t stick to that.
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But it can be the defining future of a race for example Snobolds(or whatever race from whatever fantasy).
We just think that a pale skin isn’t an defining future for Elves, Sylvare thinks it is… And thats his just as correct view on the subject! And that does not make it iffy
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Not in the slightest, because I’ve been arguing for the inclusion of more PoC-oriented features for these races far longer than Shadowlands’ announcement. Humans too, especially since WoD removed several darker skin tone options and the Asian-inspired faces.
I don’t concede, sadly. I don’t need to prove that diversity in video games matters, nor is it a shock to you, or anyone, that players in roleplaying games especially will usually pick humans (or human-like races) because they’re the race that looks most like them. Some people even argue that blood elves look more like real life humans than human males, because of their more realistic proportions and less Herculean figure.
If you want to argue against this, I’m not the target anymore, because Blizzard has clearly chosen their stance by giving human, dwarves, blood elves (and potentially gnomes?) these more PoC-oriented features in Shadowlands. The only thing left to argue is the lore behind it, which I have stated isn’t that important to me as I’d prefer it to just be a case of “they were always there”.
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I would like to point out some corrections;
- I am talking about Blood Elves exclusively, but I would argue just as much against white night elves
- There are non-pale Blood Elf skins in existance, you do not see me argueing against that, I’m argueing against adding human racial differences to elves, which in the lore of this game are not in the same geneological line as humans
Otherwise I’m glad to see people who won’t project some opponent on me for the sake of my opinion 
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can we stop acting like wow lore is something to be taken seriously in the first place
remember uldum
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I don’t like it because the moment they made them playable they should’ve know it was never gonna work.
Don’t make a “crack-squad” a playable race and it wouldn’t have been as big a problem, really imho!
Uhyea, don’t mind me using the term Elves whenever; depending on the discussion I use it for one of the Elven-races or all of them, in this case I used it for Blood Elves! 
And yea I know what you meant, but I don’t see even darker skins for Blood Elves as a inherent “Human racial difference” in this case(if that makes sense!)
I rather not
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It feels like you’re more like “choice matters” in races resemble humans the most (humans, dwarves, gnomes, elves), but then people ask you if you think choice matters in other races, your answer is no
Over my dead, cold corpse.
Don’t forget you can’t play high elves because “there aren’t enough of 'em, here’s a crack squad of void elves instead”.
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It works when you don’t apply RP to your thought process, imho.
That’s not their reason. It’s because Blood Elves and High Elves are aesthetically not different enough to justify it. Eye colour change shouldn’t be the one thing different in a race. Their lore is identical etc.
Just eye pigment isn’t enough, it’s why Ion said what he said. Post-TBC Blood Elves -are- High Elves. They don’t rely on Fel anymore or force mana out of bodies to live. They have their well back. It’s just politics at this point.
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I can’t help it, when it comes to WoW I somehow automatically add RP to my thought process, its driving me crazy! 
can we get some more bad faith arguments in the chat
What if I think you’re just making bad arguments?
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What’s Ronjo even doing in this thread? He added absolutely nothing so far.
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