I parsed higher and did more damage than others on a bunch of pulls and yet time and time again I’ve been singled out just because I play DH. I’ve paid a monthly subscription, shadowlands expansion price, several wow tokens or it would be impossible to keep raiding without endless hours of grind. There’s definitely not enough gold earned from just playing normally and grinding out 10x10+ mythics everyweek and using disenchants for extra gold. Still nowhere near enough to sustain raiding.
Yet the game has been and is broken for DH players. I’ve got one of the highest raiderio in my whole guild. I’ve reached 1400. And my ilvl is over 205. I’ve done all of this with barely any help from anyone else even though I’ve asked to be included I am shunned beacuse of the class I play.
I’m about to craft my single target legendary as I missed this trick. And have an extra 220 piece of gear. Plus a piece of conquest gear. I would have been able to use single target build in tomorrows raid but now I won’t be able to.
Only a raid or two ago I was beating others on the dmg meters and getting 5th highest, being praised by people in the guild for my progression. And yet even though I made no more mistakes than others and even performed better on parses and just outright damage, I’m still first be be kicked out.
Honestly I feel like DH players should be able to sue or something because this is just bulls**t. I’ve gotten the blame for not progressing fast enough and yet I’ve played better and put more time into my characters progression than others on my raid team.
If you were out DPSing people without a legendary it’s probably best you left. I’d encourage you to try and find another guild, though I know from personal experience that guild hunting as Havoc is a pain.
As for fixes I have personally started to just spam our woes on forums, Reddit and on Twitter. It’s clear that we need to make ourselves heard because expecting the incompetent Devs that put us in this mess in the first place to fix us at their own leisure does not work. We’ll be underpowered the whole expansion unless we make some noise.
So tag them and post as much as possible about how bad DH is.
I have a Legendary but I can push more ST dps with a different one. I’ll be crafting it on the reset tomorrow. If our DPS wasn’t so bad I wouldn’t have to go to all the trouble of min maxing so hard. I’m already parsing above average which people who didn’t get kicked are not.
The problem is not my skill or effort as a player. The problem is being singled out because of my class. People have a distain for DH and any mistakes I make are highlighted much more than others.
Yeah I saw your logs, pretty weird that they kicked you instead of the Balance and Marksmanship you were beating. Again, I think it’s a good thing that you are not in that guild anymore.
Find a guild where this nonsense doesn’t happen. Most raid leads aren’t clowns who only look at wowhead headlines for information
You may get more with CA rank 3 or 4 if you can then CT.
It pulls ahead only a very limited amount of encounters and only by very little, and if your cloak is a higher rank then CT actually doesnt …
Basically i have both, on me CA is stronger … CT is basically unused
I personally dont like the ST leggo. especially with fellblade build. Everytime it procced i was out of fury so i had to start saving up my fury incase it procs.
Your guild sounds little douchy im sorry. Is it mythic pushing guild? Still sounds douchy. Mine is mostly heroic which goes to mythic after getting heroic done and they all support me for playing what i love and not jumping from class to class every balance patch. I hope you find yourself a nice friendly guild that supports you as well. Those kind of people are best to be left behind.
If a HEROIC raiding guild kicked you out for being a DH you are better off without them. It really doesn’t matter at that point and pugs are pushing harder bosses.
Also not sure about what raider IO addon you are using, Your score is 800 not 1400. Most of your parses are on the very low spectrum of green or even grey. That’s probably the reason you are being replaced not because you are a DH
To be exact you have 6 grey parses and 4 green, 5 blue (right around the 50 mark) parses out of 15 total parses available
There are a bunch of pulls you’re told to kill yourself and stop DPS.
How about we look at the last pull of the night. One of the few logs where you can actually draw any real information from.
I’m 8th on the dps meter. I parse higher than 6 other people in the raid. And my ilvl was enough to keep my damage above an 80 parse warrior.
Also notably, a lot of people getting high parses also happen to have high ilvl parse. Don’t ask me why, but even at 205 ilvl, almost the highest in the raid, and other people being at 205, for DH my ivl parse is only 69.
I feel as though because the DH playerbase is so small that it’s harder to parse high. I mean I’m 205ilvl and I’m only 69 ilvl parse where as other classes can be below 200ilvl and still parsing in the 80s and 90s on i lvl.
It’s easy to parse high on these classes with low ilvl. It’s much harder to parse high as a DH with so few people playing the class.
Basically, I know I’m doing fine. No better or worse than others in my guild, and yet I’m singled out
I have to personally agree with the suggestion of leaving the guild and finding a better one. Your raid leads behaviour reeks of bias and lack of awareness. From the looks of it, you have several people in the raid that are underperforming in all fights, yet I’m assuming they didn’t get kicked.
CN is filled with AoE fights and on-demand bursting dps which havoc happens to be good at. Having mobile dps for Xy’mox is pretty much mandatory.
Havoc aren’t even doing that bad in the raid (although I personally do agree that our ST dps needs a buff badly). DPS wise it’s around the middle of the pack. It’s mostly the community perception of the spec that more often than becomes a roadblock for certain content.
They have plenty people with gray and green logs. You can’t exactly expect Blue and Purple logs when you’re a top 4000 guild that doesn’t even have AOTC 1 month in. From a quick glance they haven’t even downed Stone Legion.
A lot of guilds want logs that are way higher than what the guild itself ‘‘deserves’’/performs. Like if I pulled 90+ logs why would I go to some top 3000 guild.
Obviously he doesn’t need 90+ logs, But with 213 and 207 wep plus 205 ilvl he should not be having any grey logs at all, The majority of his logs are grey.
He is bottom DPS on nearly all fights in his guild not “one of the highest” as he is claiming
This is actually false as if you look at the logs across all raids I am by far not one of the worst players and have most definitely performed very well on not taking damage across all the other raids and performed better on dps in these raids. One raid where I perform no worse than others and even beat them on damage and parses on certain fights, yet one raid is what I’m being held accountable for. I’ve shown how well I can progress and how much effort I can put in and I prove it with performace.
This is just pure DH hate and I didn’t even pick the class when it’s OP and a Hunter of all classes is here trying to call me out when they are playing flavour of the month.
I’m not saying you are the worst in your guild but you are not performing well at all even when ONLY compared to other demonhunters, Your average parse is 33 so it is not just “one raid” that did not go so well. So i’m simply saying that if they were to remove one person you are one of the candidates, And with how weak DH is atm one that is underperforming is definitely getting replaced
At i205 you should not have a single parse below 50 if you didn’t die early on. Especially with 213/207 wep combo
It seems like the problem is your guild, not you or your class. We are 3/10 mythic and we have 2 havoc in our roster. We don’t bring them “because they give magic debuff” since I tank as vengeance but because they are good players.
Find a less toxic guild that deserves you and your commitment, good luck and have fun in game!
This is precisely why we need a buff. Blizzard take note please.
Logs don’t tell the whole story. I’m 205ilvl and yet the pool of DH players I have to compete against my ilvl only parses 69.
Yet someone with 198ilvl parses 93 on ilvl. Do the math.
And calling someones average parse across all pulls is just not the way to determine this. We are told to wipe and stop dps how can you include pulls like this? And I’m sure if you did this for everyone it would see the same story many times.
I know for a fact that I’ve been alive at the end of many many fights across all raids where others have died. And no one has s**t to say to me about any other logs because I was definitely doing well. Calling my average parse out on a raid where everyone made mistakes and died and I was for sure alive on the last pull and 8th on the dps meter. We did not fail progression because of a dps check and I was showing by the last pull I knew the fight and could absolutely provide enough dps for the kill.
The issue was not my dps. 65 parse at 205ilvl in a pool of players where my ilvl only parses 69 I know for a fact me being taken out over others in raid is completely unfair.
