Once again, I’m inviting you to take a look through the Warcraft.wiki’s quest dialogue and NPCs from Classic targetting the Ambermill and the Dalaran ruins where they’re described as being specifically Alliance-aligned. I’m not talking about the Cataclysm revamp, which you seem to be talking about? There’s also Nethergarde Keep, which was controlled by Dalaran during that time.
And this is further detailed in Warcraft’s literature too, where Shadow of the Sun and the Mage Manga describes how and why exactly the Horde was ultimately allowed into the city in spite of having been an Alliance-aligned Kingdom. All owed to Aethas’ efforts.
To all saying it’s a hord capital and that’s how it has always been with cities…Belameth is kaldorei capital, gilneas is well gilnean territory, Dalaran went from Alliance to Neutral, to Alliance again during mop then to neutral again during legion, it is CLEAR that ‘rules’ or what is allowed and isn’t, is subject to change by blizz sadly.
As said on a previous post, this would be an easier to swallow pill if:
A) We had a neutral hub city
B) Expansion wasn’t marketed as bringing back the shattered tribes of elves together
and
C) Blizz lately seem to have a tendency to shift between the ideologies of: OH WE ARE FRIENDS NOW WE WORK TOGETHER, and, FACTION PRIDE, they really need to settle on ONE and move on from there.
While it sucks that blizzard decided to do it that way can anyone blame horse players for defending to not wanting there city to turn neutral?
And even so I say the horde has no buisness being in alliance cities either can we maybe stop pulling out belameth in this discussion.
Those two don’t compare at all.
Belameth isn’t even a functional city it’s a tiny gathering of buildings the part of silvermoon we share with the alliance probably trumps it in size and definitely in utilities.
And while gilneas certainly is big it’s also absolutely empty.
Demanding a better solution is one thing but this feels a bit dishonest to me.
Or will anyone tell me all of Silvermoon and belameth are a fair comparison.
Then you will watch the world be engulfed by the Void because you didn’t help. You aren’t there to help the Blood Elves. You’re there to stop Xal’atath destroying the world.
I wish you Hordies would understand that “Blizzard was so lazy and cared so little about Night Elves and Worgen” isn’t the W or gotcha you think it is.
While I agree with sentiment (As I did on the other topic as well), though size wise bel ameth and silvermoon indeed aren’t EVEN comparable in this case it is more so the philosophy behind it.
Bel’ameth as far as lore is concerned the current main place for the kaldorei, and gilneas again similarly ought to be a place for the gilneans trying to rebuild their kingdom. As said before my main gripe is from the story perspective, I only hope that by the end, there will be SOME development regarding the whole elven tribes bit.
Same city we are defending? Also we will be marching to quel’danas too, you know, literal sunwell? Lorewise quel’danas is ‘sacred’ to them at least as far as the elves are concerned yet it was opened to shattered sun offensive durnig the legion invasion led by kiljaiden, dare I say, entire world being engulfed by void is far more dangerous than a single legion lord.
I’d rather not focus on past mistakes and instead be hopeful that this is a sign that they understand that people are invested into the factions which is a core theme of this game, and moving forward they treat all “faction specific capitals” the same.
Maybe we will be allowed there during a specific part of the campaign, who knows.
I’m thinking about the future though. I do not want a revamped Stormwind to end up fully neutral or God forbid a revamped Darnassus to be neutral.
I don’t particularly care that much about Bel’ameth, I don’t see it as the place where the Night Elves should settle forever, that’s Kalimdor, it will always be Kalimdor. And while a Northern Kalimdor revamp will probably make the zones neutral, the cities shouldn’t be.
I think that was a slightly different situation, but it’s not an unfair comparison. I would not have complained it the Horde was cut off almost entirely. It honestly felt pretty weird standing there as a welcome agent of peace and reconstruction, when that same character invaded Ashenvale and participated in the burning of Teldrassil. The lack of conflict felt weird and forced to me, tbh
That I would be fine with, as I said to our undead commenter, I woudln’t mind it if it allowed during certain quests, or even if you know at the end of expansion when elves are brought together etc (not all of alliance, like ren’dorei, sin’dorei, quel’dorei)
This I agree with as well, my main gripe is how they marketed it and the fact that it feels awkward storywise.
I would be fine if they allowed ally entry DURING the void invaison, and once you finish the storyline in quel’thalas and moved to under zones (ie secured silvermoon), you would be no longer welcomed.
Yeh, it’s why we say Bkizzard has a horde bias. M it’s a race taken from the Alkiance, and while a form of it has come back, the least they could do for the fans is acknowledge this and give parity.
I don’t mind the Alkiance not been allowed in some areas as long as the high elves have their own areas and in those areas, the alliance can visit.
Void elf players should be able to go everywhere regardless, and so should horde players even if they aren’t blood elves. I can live with that
I personaly think belameth is fair comparison. Its not the size of city that is important but the % that is locked or open.
Right now the canon is that belameth is a home of all kal dorei survivors the ones thar have been living on the streets of stormwind its therefore now their capital and on par with other faction hubs. And its fully open for horde faction. All because they were suposedly “shifting away” from the conflict but now suddenly conflict rages on so beware alliance scum!
Nah comparable and fully unfair. Night elves cant even properly rp during current time since their capital belameth yes an alliance city is not alliance only.
You remember what happened when Alleria got too close to sunwell?
No way we’re allowing those Tentacleless Faceless anywhere near the Sunwell or to roam the city freely. They’re traitors and outlaws.
And that should not be like that in the first place.
I think it’s still a bit unfair not only cause of the size but also cause of the fact that belameth isn’t a city.
Atleast not in the game. It’s a bunch of houses acting like they are a city.
And in that regard the part that we gonna share with the alliance will be a completly working city with all utilities you need.
There are actual reason for alliance players to go there and there are nearly no reasons to ever go to belameth after you collected the few moggs there
In fact you are, we are heading to quel’danas together n the raid, literal sunwell. Also developers said umbric (might have miss typed his name) is trying to rally his people to help in silvermoon…aaaand metzen going whole: WE WILL BRING ELVES TOGETHER.
So…I wouldn’t be too surprised at least to a degree.
They don’t need to bring the elves together. They need to bring the Factions together.
Instead of joining Horde or Alliance, all players are now Mercenaries, that can take on assignments from both factions. And now you can play with all your friends with no Faction Barrier. Win-Win.
And then add an option for Blood Elves to be called High Elves… So all the High Elves can exclusively work for the Alliance.
All for the low low price of having Orcs, Trolls and Undeads occasionally show up in Stormwind. But you get Female Orcs for Goldshire Snusnu.