Just wondering if damage gets spread to other nearby targets anymore as it did before. i didn't notice anything which said it does in a quick perusal of spellbook.
I want to know because in a bg I was just in, 2 healers were close to each other. I sheeped one and did damage to the other and immediately the sheeped healer was out of sheep. Was just wondering if that was from my damage or someone else's.
MANY things can break a sheep like that, on ground effects, azurite perks, phoenix flames, talents like conflagration, and living bomb. if 2 targets are stacked your best bet is greater pyro, it doesnt even add ignite that could then spread to the other target and proc tidal surge or whatever.
Never use Conflagration in PvP environments. That and some splash damage azerite traits can easily break your own CC. As fire i'm also not using any single target proc traits or damage proc trinkets in PvP since those can break Dragon's Breath thanks to Dragon's Breath being a damage spell as well.
This way i don't have anything breaking my own CC without me deliberately putting up Living Bomb or using Phoenix Flames (though i use Flame On instead with 3x Blaster Master traits).
This way i don't have anything breaking my own CC without me deliberately putting up Living Bomb or using Phoenix Flames (though i use Flame On instead with 3x Blaster Master traits).
24/10/2018 17:22Posted by ParzaMANY things can break a sheep like that, on ground effects, azurite perks, phoenix flames, talents like conflagration, and living bomb. if 2 targets are stacked your best bet is greater pyro, it doesnt even add ignite that could then spread to the other target and proc tidal surge or whatever.
Ok thanks. So are there any other Fire Mage abilities which would spread it to other targets, apart from Phoenix Flames?
25/10/2018 22:01Posted by Yeshuagave24/10/2018 17:22Posted by ParzaMANY things can break a sheep like that, on ground effects, azurite perks, phoenix flames, talents like conflagration, and living bomb. if 2 targets are stacked your best bet is greater pyro, it doesnt even add ignite that could then spread to the other target and proc tidal surge or whatever.
I get this, but my question was actually whether or not Fire mage dmg still gets spread, which you do indirectly seem to answer 'yes'. I do prefer direct answers though I must say, but thanks.
Fire Blast is a smart spread so it doesn't spread ignite to already polymorphed targets.
25/10/2018 23:15Posted by HairiraFire Blast is a smart spread so it doesn't spread ignite to already polymorphed targets.
Ah ok. So are there any other abilities which would spread it to other targets, apart from Phoenix Flames which has already been mentioned?
26/10/2018 11:38Posted by Yeshuagave25/10/2018 23:15Posted by HairiraFire Blast is a smart spread so it doesn't spread ignite to already polymorphed targets.
Ah ok. So are there any other abilities which would spread it to other targets, apart from Phoenix Flames which has already been mentioned?
Only talent that does it, without you specifically using an ability that does AoE or splash damage, is Conflagration because of its flare up portion. You can largely pick non-AoE and non-damage proc traits as well to minimize the risk further, more so with Dragon's Breath.
How does the normal Ignite-spreading work?
I've always been running Controlled Burn for the burst-component, but it also stops ignite from spreading.. Does Ignite spread to sheeps?
Other than that, I spec into Living Bomb, since the other 2 talents on that row can break sheeps by accident.. Living Bomb doesn't break sheeps unless you actually press the button :)
I've always been running Controlled Burn for the burst-component, but it also stops ignite from spreading.. Does Ignite spread to sheeps?
Other than that, I spec into Living Bomb, since the other 2 talents on that row can break sheeps by accident.. Living Bomb doesn't break sheeps unless you actually press the button :)
26/10/2018 11:51Posted by HairiraOnly talent that does it, without you specifically using an ability that does AoE or splash damage, is Conflagration because of its flare up portion. You can largely pick non-AoE and non-damage proc traits as well to minimize the risk further, more so with Dragon's Breath.
Thanks for the info, but my question was not which talents spread damage, but which abilities.
27/10/2018 19:20Posted by YeshuagaveThanks for the info, but my question was not which talents spread damage, but which abilities.
Every aoe ability and every ability that spreads ignite, so every damage ability you have except greater pyro that is a pvp talent, but we arent talking about those so EVERY damage ability either does aoe damage or applies ignite.
There is no ability that spreads ignite, it spreads automatically, however Controlled Burn pvp talent stops it from spreading outside of combustion.
28/10/2018 01:28Posted by ParzaEvery aoe ability and every ability that spreads ignite, so every damage ability you have except greater pyro that is a pvp talent, but we arent talking about those so EVERY damage ability either does aoe damage or applies ignite.
There is no ability that spreads ignite, it spreads automatically, however Controlled Burn pvp talent stops it from spreading outside of combustion.
Ah ok. Yeah I mean it is useful to know about talents that spread damage as well as abilities which aren't talents. I just want to know what I can do to avoid breaking sheeps with my own damage and I think you've answered that. Also what range do I have to be to avoid breaking sheeps with stuff that does spread dmg?
Ignite passively spreads to nearby targets of your main target. If you want to avoid this in pvp iirc there is a pvp talent that makes it so ignite does its full damage 100% faster but nolonger spreads unless you combust. Alternatively just wait until the 2nd guy moves away from the sheep.
edit: apparently it was answered nvm then
edit: apparently it was answered nvm then
28/10/2018 01:28Posted by ParzaThere is no ability that spreads ignite, it spreads automatically, however Controlled Burn pvp talent stops it from spreading outside of combustion.
Err, you have to Fire Blast someone to spread the ignites outside of dealing damage to the second target directly. The only case where ignite spreads automaticly is when running Conflagration, which is why it's terrible in PvP.
The reason to run controlled burn isn't to not make ignite spread, but to make your ignite deal its damage more upfront instead of spreading it out over 4 seconds, thus making it easier to heal through.
Ignite can't spread to already polymorphed targets either, though i think it still can spread to targets in RoF or DB. The spec would be unplayable in rated PvP if this wasn't the case.
28/10/2018 11:36Posted by YeshuagaveAh ok. Yeah I mean it is useful to know about talents that spread damage as well as abilities which aren't talents. I just want to know what I can do to avoid breaking sheeps with my own damage and I think you've answered that. Also what range do I have to be to avoid breaking sheeps with stuff that does spread dmg?
With Phoenix Flames i think it's 8 or 10 yards, so a bit further than melee range. You can't really control it with Living Bomb, if you put it on your kill target, and Meteor and Flamestrike both show you the range before applying them (unless you're running a mouseover macro i think).
you have to Fire Blast someone to spread the ignites
What exactly makes you think this? What about fire blast spreads ignite?
28/10/2018 22:13Posted by Parzayou have to Fire Blast someone to spread the ignites
What exactly makes you think this? What about fire blast spreads ignite?
Ah, yeah, i'm wrong in that regard. It's still a smart spread, however so it won't transfer to targets in a poly. It got fixed early on after they changed ignite because it was unsustainable in both PvP and PvE.
Ok thanks all.
Use the Controlled Burn PvP talent. :)
31/10/2018 10:05Posted by ColdfearxxUse the Controlled Burn PvP talent. :)
Meh, i've had no issues when i played without that talent. Polymorph will remove existing ignites when applied, ignite can't spread to polymorphed targets and i've had no issues with ignite spreading to blinded targets either. I doubt ignite will transfer to any target for which the damage would immediately break the CC.