There is one, or maybe two (three?) potential ways to buff Frost to be viable and not the worst spec in the game (currently Survival Hunters are in better shape)
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Fingers of Frost Ice Lances should NOT consume Winter’s Chill stacks. This itself will provide a huge boost to the damage. This should be the first and most important thing to do. The rest should apply if this change doesn’t provide the needed buff.
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Increase the damage of Frostbolt. At the moment mages can get into a long streaks of no Fingers of Frost or Brainfreeze procs, leaving them deal virtually no damage at all. And then on, unable to catch on other classes.
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Frozen Orb should make Blizzard instant cast.
Mages in general and Frost in particular are in terrible shape at the moment. The fixes above are probably doable in one day if someone cares to go for it. Which is not the case anymore.
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100% agree with 1, in any other game the FOF and WC overlapping proc consumes would be considered a bug and be a hot fix.
2 either increase damage or decrease cast time and increase % that procs are hit. Sick of 6/7 frost bolts with zero proc’s
3 i love, but i think unnecessary if the other two are sorted at a minimum. I don’t mind the little set up time with Fragments to be able to do massive AOE.
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This is very much not true. Even after frost was hit with waves of nerfs it still remains very much a competitive spec. I am regularly pulling in the top half of DPS charts and I am by no means geared to the top.
Inability to handle procs is not an issue of the game. It is really simple, if you have both Finger of Frost and Brain Freeze active at the same time, use Finger of Frost first. Those procs last 15 seconds, so you have more than enough time to notice them and cast an instacst spell.
I don’t think I ever went five Frostolts without either Brain Freeze or FoF, but of course, can’t speak for everyone on procs.
And just to make sure, I went ahead and did quick 10~ minute testing of just throwing frost bolts at a dummy and I went five casts without either proc exactly zero times. So if it happens, it happens very rarely.
And as for Frost Orb making Blizzard instacast… that feels very much unnecessary considering frost is already one of the best AoE classes in the game.
My dear dude,
I just went to raiders_io, looked at your profile - being 184 item level, never completed any key above Plaguefell 3. On that level it’s no wonder you occasionally “win” the dps metter. I’m sorry, but nobody running higher keys and going into raids will ever see your opinion as credible. You are just one of the trolls, showing up now and then, only to say “l2p nOObz!”
You’ve literally seen nothing of the game yet, so please go play more, advance into it more and then come and comment again. Because you are making a fool of yourself right now.
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Thats a harsh way of saying your just a better player than the people your playing with 
frost is the worst raid spec in the game rn, so make sure your guildies know your spanking them on a slug of a spec.
I don’t know to whom you are talking to, but you should lesser your talk. Because it is way too big for someone who didn’t manage to get past the second boss in Normal Nathria.
Also, instead of “boasting” you could consider adding something valuable to the discussion.
I’m talking to you Halian. Unlike you, I do mid-range keys 7-9 in time. You do 2s and 3s. See the difference? If you don’t, then you have really big issue in the CPU. Don’t judge my Castle Nathria progress, I don’t raid, I do Mythic+. Maybe you raid, but I doubt it. You simply don’t have gear. You run dungeons with people with bad gear, same as yours. There is no way you can compare anything. Reach 200 item level at least and then show us your glorious damage. And if it’s that good you are claiming to be, we all gonna shut up, praise you as the Lord Almighty and close the topic forever.
Spoiler alert, you will be crying in the corner, looking at your pathetic frost mage dps, as we all currently do. Just go read a bit what the f-ing top mages in the world have to say about frost. You are just the next alt-geared nobody, who thinks he’s holding God’s balls. “Lesser your talk”… oh boy… Nah, let me grab some popcorn, I have the feeling you want to embarrass yourself even further, trying to prove yourself to me as credible. Go!
P.S. I’ve added a lot of valuable suggestions in my 1st, original, post. You came here to tell us all how bad we are and how good you are 
P.P.S. I’ve looked a bit into the Mage forums and I see you have a little crusade against everyone who says Frost is bad. You are literally on almost every topic, “schooling” people, telling them indirectly how bad they are. Tell me one thing, how come you are the only one in the world that has figured it out and all of us didn’t? Statistically.
saying that frost is performing is an absolute meme not gonna lie. have you looked at any statistics? we are bottom. by quite the margin from second bottom even. M+ is the one place frost can somewhat do something and even then we have too many limitations.
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Frost is perfectly fine in m+
i noticed something when leveling my resto shaman. my lvl 58 lightning bolts hit harder than my 200 ilevel frost bolts…
Im scared blizz probably nerf aoe shards from leggo, because mage can sometimes pump on first place…
Frost only saving grace is aoe, thanks to the glacial fragments legendary. That made it pretty decent in m+ last week and in some fights like Sun King or Huntsman.
Without the leggo or in st we are straight up the worst spec, maybe competing with Havoc and Assassination.
Even worse if you don’t go Venthyr.
After swapping to fire and nightfae, I tried one key as frost and tyrannical bosses were just miserable.
Playing arcane without legendary and with much less experience was miles better.
They should revert all the late beta nerfs and maybe tune down glacial fragments a bit to balance it.
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I appreciate the time you took to respond to the guy but it’s feeding the troll. We live in the world of Big data. You can sum up his experience using pretty easy measurements (and by no means do i claim to be an expert):
Current raid: 4/10 normal. No longs submitted
Current guild: No Logs submitted
iLvL: 184
Mythics: Best in-time key, 3
PVP: 2v2 played games - 13 - 2 wins (17%). 3v3 played games 3 - 1 win (33%). Unranked.
He is probably happy with the performance of frost at this casual level, and that;s entirely fine. I love frost for world quests. But i don’t think it’s doing well otherwise.
I hope (pray) that Blizzard already have ways of measuring the experience of players when reading their feedback to understand how much content they’ve been exposed to when forming an opinion.
I completely agree that Fingers of Frost shouldn’t consume Winter’s Chill.
They may not even have to increase the damage of Frostbolt itself, but every Frostbolt casted without giving a Fingers of Frost, could increase the damage of the next cast Ice Lance.
I do think that Frost Mages need a bigger redesign than damage tuning.
Currently there is not much spice to the specialization either. It’s just too much Ice Lance, because Glacial Spike is a dead talent. Initially I was happy to see Glacial Spike not being viable. I always hated how it worked with Brain Freeze and how often there were wasted Brain Freeze proc or you had to hold on a Flurry to get the five icicles needed. Gameplay felt so clunky and frustrating.
Maybe Frost should get something else to replace Fingers of Frost and only have Ice Lances to consume Winter’s Chill.
Icicles could for example be like paladin’s holy power. Something to spent when you have five of them in either a single target ability or AoE.
You sir are an “I” word, you know what I mean, go to the logs look at logs and there you go. Please delete internet.
Im decently geared atm I play PvE and PvP and I can agree with the first of the 3 Points 100%. The third is also a valid Idea even though i think it would make frost a little too good for M+ since we deal fairly high dmg in M+trashpacks. I cant agree with the frostboltbuff though i think it’s not ment to be rewarding otherwise Icelances and/or flurry wouldnt feel as strong as they do now. I would prefer a buff around the croner. Most frostmages are Ventyr and as such i think a mirrors of torment buff which increases the the dmg taken by an affected target would suit our cleeve heavy playstyle. But thats just my humble Opinion. But im 100% sure about a Flat%-DMG-Buff is not what we mages need cause that wont fix the problems we have.
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Would be fun and innovative if blizzard added execute mechanism to frost mages.
Something unique like. "when target is below 25-35%…? you’re critical strike change is increased by x amount
since we have shattercap, i dont agree with this, though an execute for frost spec wouldnt be a bad idea.
we need both tbh. a solution for the procs fighting eachother and a flat damage buff. our spells all hit like wet noodles until we chain them.
nice troll mate getting kicked out of groups like 10 times a day after they invite me and check my specx, frost is absolutely good class ye.