Well they are bootleg Ferengi of DS9, so there is some truth in that
And before WoW, they were… inventors, innovators and in a sense were about partnership, selling their stuff and themselves as mercenaries so…
With enoug bending, it could be true…?
It’s the new lore, of of course it’s the new truth. Just like with the Ferengi in DS9 the writers seem to have decided that a total revolution of the greedy little buggers was in order, and that they should embrace workers’ rights, civil rights, enviromentalism and sustainability now, because that’s what actually brings the profit, our enlightened 21st century writers explain through Gazlowe.
My point was, that this is basically moving away from the established racial character, and towards making the goblins the same as everyone else (just uglier). So… pretty much the same thing we criticized above for the Forsaken,
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Admittedly I don’t like the goblins especially after what they did to Azshara, the zone, though putting that aside I think it’s dubious to try and erode away their niche by trying to make them more ‘appealing’ by eroding away their rougher and more controversial edges.
With the Worgen having reclaimed Gilneas I suspect the Goblins will see Kezan reclaimed and made neutral at some point in the upcoming expansion. Which is likely the main reason they’re being ‘smoothed out’.
You think the devs are so delusional that they think these ugly little buggers aren’t played, because they are seen as controversial? Eh, that sounds more far-fetched than the current generation of devs just expressing their values in the game. I think they just didn’t want to let this cartoon of exploitative capitalism stand, because they didn’t want to be associated with it. Especially if someone could confuse them with certain NS-carricatures. I think they would have felt uncomfortable expanding on it, so they reduced it instead. This way they can write about goblins without having to leave their ideological comfort zone, isn’t that nice?..
Not saying you’re wrong here, but I don’t really understand the correlation you’re suggesting here. Why would goblins have to be “smoothed out” to give us a neutral hub? They’ve given us neutral goblins since the start of the game, without tuning down anything.
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To a degree, yes. The development team is often heavily sheltered from genuine feedback and players who are actually invested in the setting. They often mistake a handful of very vocal, terminally online individuals as representative of the wider community.
To use a rough example, I tried to have a discussion about blood elves - my favourite playable race - over on X. I know, I know - not the best place for it, though it showed up in my feed.
This individual, however, was deeply lost in his own head-canon. His poor little half-amani, half-elf monstrosity is fighting the good fight against racism, bigotry and oppression as far as he is concerned. To the point where he was convinced that the blood elves need to pay ‘reparations’.
Tying that back to the goblins, however, I do suspect similar nonsense is at play. The goblins, much like the amani, are largely bereft of redeeming qualities. Which is fine, really - some people dig that.
Yet now the game wants to pretend they’re deeper than they actually are, that ‘capitalism’ is the real horror. Predictable but to be expected in the current era.
Goblins have been neutral at times, yes, though those more firmly aligned with the Horde have been decidedly less apologetic and a lot more ruthless. Garrosh lost the support of practically all of his allies in the end, though a lot of goblins still remained at his side.
Gone are the days of a fully fleshed out unique campaign for both the Alliance and the Horde, so every new bit of content will be developed for both - and that means dragging everything down to the Alliance’s level. Who, let’s be honest, many vocal players flock to precisely because they see them as the good guys.
You can’t really give the average Alliance player the Horde experience, thus things need to be sanitised.
Am I generalising? Probably. Rambling? Absolutely.
Sylvanas needs to come back to Forsaken as leader if some characters in this game should be forgiven for poor moves they make she can be forgiven to lol It is not her fault some emo decide to butcher her in bfa and shadowlands.
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I’m really not confident in the writing of TWW given how big of a checklist Faerin Lothar is.
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By the way, a new short story, a new racial character disparaged.
Though to be fair, this story doesn’t rewrite the dwarves for the future. It just seems veeeery happy to spent quite a few pages having Moira vent her contempt for the violent, small-minded, blunt, overly masculine, and of course bigoted dwarven establishment, and building her quiet genius scholar son as a counterpoint. So… maybe it’s more of a “not yet” on that racial rewrite…
Not saying that the story was bad, or that the spiteful, stubborn, manipulative, overprotective Moira was a bad character decision, but they certainly made clear that they think dwarves need to “do better”. I guess ideally they could use that to introduce some internal conflict within the dwarves that isn’t just solved by a main character speech. I’m just not holding my breath on that one, either.
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TWW will really be testing ground from lore perspective and new character introduction. So far we’ve seen some concerning DEI signs along the way.
Dragonflight got a pass because so far any “inclusive” additions to the story were side content. And not overly in your face. If TWW follows this pattern then normies will simply walk past it and don’t bother much.
Which now begs to ask the question, if the new narrative team replaced the old, will there be changes for the better or worse?
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Yeah I too hope that all that woke stuff will be left to side stories and ideally better written (so that it doesn’t feel forced upon players).
Seeing the latest TWW launch cinematic, though, makes me concerned in this regard.
stop reviving threads one day before they are closed jeez.
Stop giving “advice” noone asked you about.
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It is okay to let the forum die. Bfa destroyed so much story that no one cares anymore.
100% agree with this point, that “humanising” the different races is the opposite of what should be done in world of WARcraft. Thats one reason why i liked the suramar nightborne so much.
I got the impression that they could actually go and mess things up. And not because of a contrived artificial reason but because they didnt mind doing so in the first place and it’s the way they are. Thats why the Jedi and Sith conflict works so well, because their conflict is organic. They dont need fanciful plot contrivances to fight.
I just wonder how such writing would be received. Maybe the Warcraft fanbase wants WARcraft to be more of a carebear reserve? Maybe poorly executed conflicts and characterisations in the past soured them too much. I dont know. But i think your ideas are spot on for world building.
Golden had no team, she was contracted as part of a team. Everything done, weren’t all by her call, or choice. And no, you would not get another Banshee leader, already having one was a rare thing. I agree that the council should’ve been the actual seat, and I’d rather have Voss be a neutral hated character, killing both the undead and the living.
No one wants Calia my dude.
Didn’t say that either, did I?
Ain’t no one wanting a Sylvanas 2.0 either.
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That’s only partially true. It was Golden’s idea to make Calia even a active character and what she is in WoW and she had a immense influence on Anduin.
Calia becoming a forsaken leader was such a dumb writing I cannot even express. Basically a grey human with golden eyes pretending to understand forsaken community. That was once again an example of „all races have to be like humans” writing. Anduin doing crimes being controlled by Jailer ? Poor him, it wasn’t his fault. Sylvanas doing the same thing ? To the Maw with her, Sylvanas bad.
For me Sylvanas is and will always be our queen, no matter what idiotic narrative alliance lovers writers will make.
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If we are loud enough they will remove Calia I am sure.