Since Golden and Her Team is Gone

One can dream. They don’t give a fk for long time now. The only thing that they care for and understand is money.

They had to address her fate at some point in the story - but I’m curious, where did you get that information?
And it’s not “partially true” - as far as we know, Golden was not a director or team leader in any way, she may have pitched ideas, but she wasn’t making decisions.

Her whole journey after the reanimation was about that experience. Understanding what Arthas did, what the Forsaken went through, not to mention experiencing being unique and different than everybody else.

It’s one thing to say “I liked Sylvanas better and I don’t like Calia.”, but to call it “dumb writing” just because you (want to) dislike the story, is as childish as it is unfair. :man_shrugging:

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Thought you might be here, Whenever bad alliance content is forced on the Horde you will eventually show yourself.

Not it is not :rofl: How her experience can be same she is reanimated by light , was not slave mc to kill her familly, friends other people not having own conscience and rest world sees u as monster or in need to be constant replacing body parts, constant in pain because decomposing xDD

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The keyword in my post was:

I am not saying that she went through the same experience. The process of understanding what the Forsaken went through started even before her transformation, when she witnessed the Forsaken in Arathi meet their living relatives. After that, she spent time with them, with Derek, with Lilian, struggled with being different, even went to the Shadowlands to ask Necromancy experts about her place and how she could find a place with the Forsaken. It wasn’t the same experience, but similar - and she definetly watched and experienced enough of the Undead to have a grasp of what they were going through. That said, Sylvanas was also different from the Forsaken and didn’t have to deal with decomposition.

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She will never understand what they went through no matter how much some dev puts quest lines try to justify her existence with undeads.

If u did not experience same things , how u can understand someone what that person went through!?

Dog can be different near cats but spending time with them dont make him cat :joy:

Was not even close experience and that watching thing dont make u expert. is like watching guides on youtube for some raid and u think u know all but true is until u step food into raid and feel on own skin u did not experience nothing. Same thing with her now… Her whole existance as royal member of familly at first place dont give her experience how was to live as normal average peasant person then member or royal familly kills u and rest of your familly, future king who should protect u at first place. With no own will, mindless killing machine sprint to kill more people. Rest Allaince sees u as monster they also hunt u , to kill you. With own struggle with pain u feel everyday try to survive. And then u see Calia all fancy with fancy golden hair locks, eyes in fancy dress… I know how u feeeeeeeeeel let me help u I watched guide on youtube :rofl:

Btw I think she deserve what she got to be killed by Sylvanas. if she was not “I know better, dont tell me what to do!” Now she will be alive and rest of undeads would be alive to.

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Fortunately, whatever she will oder won’t ever understand is completely up to the Devs and not to you :wink:

Derek has been turned into an Undead more recently, Lilian has been undead for a long time, but was not with the Forsaken, just as Alonsus Faol. Sylvanas was an Elven Ranger turned into a Banshee, Meryl Felstorm was turned into an Undead before the Scourge even existed. They’re all different kinds of Undeads with different experiences. What they all have in common is that they’re not alive anymore and the kingom the lived in is gone. Even the “expert” in Maldraxxus confirmed to Calia that it doesn’t matter what magic turned her into what she is, but what she now does with that existence.

Which she never claimed to be, that’s why she wanted to learn and observe. To this day, she wants to help, not to rule them.

First of all, Sylvanas also wasn’t a “normal average peasant person”, she wasn’t even of the same species as the Forsaken. That said, since Calia was Terenas’ daughter, she basically had a front row seat in watching her brother (who should have protected the kingdom) kill her father and the rest of her kingdom, since she was a member of the royal family. The only thing she didn’t lose right away back then, was her life.

Again, she never said that. She felt guilty and decided to act (admittely, at a very bad time). Still, Blizzard really took their time with her story and character development, step by step, until they finally placed her with the Forsaken - as a simple council member and not even their ruler.

But of course, it’s always easier to paint a one-dimensional picture of “the arrogant know-it-all-princess” and put a ROFL-emoji behind.

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She didn’t lose anything. None of her friends rejected her and she was raised by the Light willingly unlike the other Forsaken who were forced to do crime by the scourge.

Yes, I also think Calia just doesn’t fit to the Horde at all, especially not to the Forsaken.

She would’ve made a more interesting character, if she inherited forsaken as a living human and morally grey character.

The whole idea of reanimating “light undead” is a highly distilled BS.

Calia should have just been an alliance character. THat would have made way more sense

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Totally yes.

I really like Christie Golden’s work overall. The next book is gonna be “The voices within”, and it’s gonna cover the story of Thrall with his son Durak, Anduin, Gazlowe, and Alleria mainly. I really worry though about some of the authors, as one of them has previously written the new Star Wars stories, which are pretty much universally disliked, so I hope the Warcraft story doesn’t get ruined next. One of her works is called “Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge: Black Spire” and judging by reviews I don’t want her anywhere near Warcraft under any circumstances, because else I think warcraft will become very shallow, and boring. Though I do really hope that she just executed Disney’s orders to write this, and it wasn’t her own actual idea.

Golden is luckily still featured in that book to write Anduin’s Story, but I’m very sceptical regarding some of the new authors, as there are SIX authors total for the new book, which is crazy.

My plea to Blizzard: Please just stick with Christie Golden, she at least knows what the target audience wants, and she writes and narrates her audio books very well. Microsoft was dumb and clueless for firing her. It was just an idiotic corporate decision to replace Golden right before the World Soul Saga. She also had a history to work well together with Metzen too. If you really wanna replace her though, why not get one of these extreme nerds, who write all these warhammer stories? At least they would probably write well for the target audience. The Illidan book is proof of that, as many people love this novel

We can only speculate why they let her - maybe it’s even connected to Chris Metzen’s comeback.

Interesting thread to post this plea in. :grimacing:

The issue is that Sander is firing shots against Golden unfairly, because he’s unhappy with the general direction of the Warcraft story. That’s Danuser’s fault though, as Golden is literally just writing the stories, of which the framework is already established by Warcraft’s narrative leadership. Whenever Wow had a good overall story, Golden wrote some of the best books we have now for Warcraft like Rise of the Horde and Lord of the Clans. They are the problem, not Golden.

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Christie Golden is gone and I am glad she can never write for the Horde where her biases for Baine and Calia almost ruined it.

Actually no, I have a good basis for my assumptions and if you people want to prove it’s unfair, then prove my assumptions wrong. I have laid out the basis of my assumptions for all to see, feel free to prove them wrong.

And what’s unfair, I’d say, is that you want to say it was all Danuser, but obviously it wasn’t cause Goldie got the boot as well.

It was way more Danuser’s responsibility, but he wasn’t only bad. He also did some good things for the story like introducing more cosmic depth and increasing the scale a lot of the world. I think his impact overall was net-negative though.

He was good when there was someone looking over his shoulder.

Danuser was great. Metzen has alliance bias.