High enough for what? It’s not title, so is it just high enough that yall can act all high and mighty while not even being close to the good player bracket.
all this guys complaining about one button rotation, when they all probaly use 10 addons to tell them what to do, where to stay, what cooldowns and crap to use, its not like they actualy good at the game or that class, they do what theyre told like a nice litle robot, i wonder how good will they be next expansion witchout mommy robot telling them what and when to do and they will actualy need to learn a boss or dungeon like in the old days
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My UI is WA for CD and Buff tracking. Custom sounds for DMB and WA mechanics so it doesn’t “tell to use a defensive or where to stand”. So no, I do listen to robots to tell how to play and I do not watch guides and try to figure out my class on my own, yes I do check the talents and gear stats on top players and try to do it like them but thats as far as I go.
Cheats! You’re not a real player unless you do it manually!!!
Of course I’m kidding, but there’s a basic truth in there, unfortunately.
The above is really how some people come across to me. I really hate how they’re being called out and treated.
But most of all… I hate that some people want to try and identify them.
It really, honestly gives me chills. It feels so so wrong to me.
Just don’t do PUGs then. That’s the correct solution, imo.
In principle I don’t disagree with what they are saying.
At some point, if you are doing challenging content there is a presumption that the person should be competent. Thats just good manners (why would you sign up for something where you know you’re going to be a burden and ruin other peoples experience).
If you are using the single button thingy, chances are you aren’t competent / shouldn’t be there. Is downloading a tool to suss out these players a bit more “douchey” than most people would be? Sure. Most people would just write it off to “some pugs you win and some pugs you lose” but meh.
It’s one of the reasons I don’t do such content.
No fellow player is going to tell me I’m ‘worthy enough or not’ to be in their team.
I’m not accepting that. No way, no how.
IMO: Don’t do pugs if you can’t handle otherminded people.
Get likeminded friends. Get a guild. Get a community. The game offers various tools to accomplish this.
I understand their reasoning; but I don’t agree with their solution.
The problem is, with the OBR it added another variable in the m+ scene.
Instead of being more unsure on how the run will be, the instant you know its an OBR, you already know its going to be at the very least, less DPS. So the other dps needs to perform better to make up for it. The higher the key, the more you put pressure on the other players for it.
Then add the part where they might not do mechanics (stops/interrupts/use defs) it makes it alot worse.
In the end, its not about if the player is bad or not. I personally feel, atleast in the higher keys, if you have the belief that you should be carried from the getgo when you join a higher key, you are extremely selfish. (not you personally ofc).
So your idea is pretty much:
Always expect to carry in a pug and if you dont like that, dont ever pug? That sounds extremely toxic.
So you dont agree that they can just add an option where OBR will be deactivated upon key start if they had that option when they made the group?
So when, for example, anyone try to join that group it will pop up a warning for them that OBR will be disabled for that run?
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This please for the love of cats and dogs.
yeah, before SBA and OBR existed people were never got hit by stuff, they always dispelled and intrerupted on high keys, there was 100% success on keys thanks to everyone with high rio was really good with their class and was not boosted or something like that, never had issues like this before the damn SBA/OBR…
/s
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Can we get one for addons as well?
Don’t try and gaslight me if you’re a rookie at it. 
No. Because that gives players the power over other players and that’s NEVER okay.
If Blizzard just makes it so that in M+ you can’t have OBR active; fine with me. Then nobody gets a choice in the matter.
Yeah, it’s really just finding a new type of player to blame.
Like I said earlier… I find this type of thing very unnerving.
Why? They are removing them.
Wait no I must retract that, they are removing combat addons. I fully agree with you it’s must to know and avoid people with TRP.
Don’t underestimate the inventiveness of dedicated players. Someone is bound to come up with an addon that will be showing information not available through the base interface and which will not blocked code.
Addons didn’t work like that unless you count timers. They worked with information from the base game that was shown in a janky manner.
Still close to title range as i dont use dungeon WAs. Thank you for your concern.
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Yet this happens all the time.
Want to join the local soccer team? You’ll be evaluated to see if you have the fitness or skill needed. Perfectly reasonable.
Same for wow. Sure, frame it as ‘how dare others evaluate ME!!!’ - yet it happens all the time in all aspects of life.
IRL is very different than playing a game. I can’t compare the two in a serious manner.
But honestly, my solution applies to a lot of IRL things too.
That’s literally what people do IRL when they want to participate in activities on a higher level. They join a club or organization that has likeminded people in it.
They don’t shout ‘We’re going to participate in national competition with our football team, who wants to join?’, for example. That wouldn’t make any sense.
Im not. You are implying it quite hard when you keep telling others to stop pug if you dont like the idea of OBR players in higher keys. Its not the first time you write it you know?
The only “power” you give to other players, is to have the choice to have OBR activated or deactivated in higher m+ keys.
Having options is not the worst thing in the world.
Denying it outright from m+ seems to be quite extreme. In the lower keys it can be good if you want to focus on learning m+ mechanics or if you play with friends who do not mind it at all.
(which were also your suggestion with ppl who dont want the chance to play with OBR players. Works both ways huh?)
With my suggestion it would not “identify” someone to other people.
I feel its pretty toxic and unnerving when the expectations is to be carried without their consent in a pug environment. This is only about higher keys.
In lower keys, the expectations is that people are learning so anything can happen.
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You say that, but that’s never how things turn out.
Too many players are sheep. They’re going to adopt ‘the ways of the pros’ because that’s how they believe it ‘should be done’. That kind of thing has happened again and again and again over the years in WoW: High end nonsense trickles down.
Its what people have argued for majority of times in this thread which keeps being neglected.
Its why I gave the suggestion for an “option” so people can decide themselves.
If someone is arguing that OBR is bad for casual gameplay then they might want to look themselves in the mirror.
Pushing higher keys, to me personally, is not rly casual gameplay. But thats more a matter of personal opinion.