SL Trinket Bonus revealed

[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Bewarê-frostmane

You’re generalizing too much.

A simpler way to compare what you described to what I described, in the way people will gear and how many will do it, is that the trickle down effect will make people gear through PvE on basically the same ratings as they’ve done in BFA, and that difference will be felt on those same ratings compared to those only sticking to PvP.

While what you’ve described is basically just hinting that “only the top of the top” will go the extra mile to gear in mythic raids and so on, while the rest will “be happy” with only the gear from PvP.

So while sure, they made PvP gear a LITTLE stronger than what it has been in BFA, it still doesn’t solve the essential problem. Which is that people need to gear in PvE in order to PvP. On those same ratings.

@Bewarê-frostmane

The edits in the previous post covers basically the essence of what you’ve said vs. the essence of what I’ve said. And why what you’ve said is essentially wrong.

@Jito-turalyon

Alright. I’m wrong.

This is why I emphasized “EVERYTHING” so much in this quote:

@Jito-turalyon

@Bewarê-frostmane

The common goal should obviously be for PvP gear to at the very least be equal in EVERYTHING of PvE gear, while in PvP. That’s the BARE MINIMUM . Right?

Right.

@Bewarê-frostmane

The time/grind required to get it can then get adjusted to things like if it’ll only be good in PvP, because if it’s only good in PvP then it allows for faster grind requirements. But if it’s just as good as PvE gear in everything WoW has to offer, then it’d need to at the very least take the same average amount of time as the PvE equivalents. Right?

Right.

Which you agreed to. Because it’s a key part of those common goals. As soon as you include “But it’s okay for “some” PvE gear to be the best”, that’s when the sudden need to keep up with all of those borrowed powers instead of only the needed ones for PvP, and PvE requirements in order to get those PvE pieces suddenly starts kicking in.

And it’s not like PvE gear will stop dropping versatility pieces, as well as how versatility isn’t BiS for every slot for true minmaxing, so you’ll see the same rating ranges as in BFA requiring the same expected minmaxing for those same rating ranges in SL.

So you’ll see raiders having a clear edge, both in time required to get those higher ilvl pieces, as well as just straight up having a higher ilvl on some pieces.

Which is why those time gated locks on borrowed powers, to swap from PvE to PvP, is the only real advantage those only sticking to PvP will have. And that’ll only be relevant at the start of raid tier releases, since once that stuff is on farm then guilds becomes more ok with bringing some PvP optimized borrowed powers to raids.

Pugs will be more ruthless in requirements for mythic raid pugs though. Since there’s no social leniency in place to overlook suboptimal applicants in pug creations unless you already know the people beforehand.

Which means “empty” group finders on ratings people want to “protect”, as well as those who simply won’t get started at start of seasons and rather just wait until they’ve got their PvE gear before they even try to push because of the borrowed powers being stuck to PvE for the time it takes to progress in PvE.