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Because it’s WoW players in those games. You seem to fail to reliese these games popularity spikes massively everytime blizzard messes up.

90% of the pop in these games are WoW refugees and they all quit with a reason.

Let’s just make this quick.

In neither of these games can you buy your way to the top of the chain.

FFXIV doesn’t sell gold.
Gw2 without verticle progression you can’t buy your way up either.

Both of these games at core sell cosmetic effects.

FFXIVs are pretty terrible and mainly only selling the NPCs outfits.

GW2 is a fecking F2p game.

Absolute lie.

Mount skins are gem store the mounts themselves cannot be bought by gems. So your now outright lying about other games.

You can buy the cosmetic alterations to mounts with gems.

May I also add. It’s 257gold to buy gems. A sum of money that is tiny… Gw2 make gems very accessible by easy low barrier gold prices. While WoW wants ALOT of gold per token.

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The best way to tell how many people really care about this is to see how the servers are in prepatch and at launch.

By then every player has made their choice to either reject modern TBC or to welcome it, micro transactions and all. People who chose TBC and continue to pretend to be outraged are hypocrites. Paying a company they dislike for a game they dislike, offering an experience they dislike.

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I was in a WoW refugee guid and 99% of the subjects were WoW v FFXIV

Go look up scottzone. Go look up work2game. Go admit openly you play WoW. Lol.

If you beleive all is daisy go for it.

Scottzone got doxxed and threatened to leave the community.

Work2game get continuous death threats

They tell WoW players to go away. And exile you if your loud enough lol

I play both these games. And regularly am involved with conversations as such. :rofl: Lol…

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My reply wasn’t about how many people want to play TBC. Rather how Dottie’s statement lack substance.

But yeah partly I agree with you. But it could also be the case that most players check out TBC but feel discouraged by the changes and quit while they otherwise wouldn’t.

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Great

But let’s say 250,000 people play classic WoW… No, lets say 25,000 people play classic WoW. The forums have maybe 500 regular posters…that’s 2% of the player base who visit these forums…and maybe half of them give a monkeys nut about it.

Yes of course my figures are pure conjecture, but I don’t think i’m far off.

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While that’s fair, I don’t think we can pressume that means the other 98% of players are in agreement with that.

Just alot more people will tolerate things like this then will rise against it.

We all tolerate flaws, mmorpgs are about the most scuffed market available espically. But that doesn’t mean the choices are right realistically or we agree with them.

The idea of classic becoming monetised is scarey and that’s not because “omg someone can skip classic levelling!” It’s apart of the slippery slope concept.

The idea this will likely only get larger over time is concerning.

Let’s not pretend that the content creators and their communities are happy either. Preachs, belluars, asmongolds YouTube videos have thousands of comments bashing this game.

When the games being bashed on every platform it exists on. We know there’s a problem.

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Yes indeed - but the game has always been bashed left right and centre from my experience of the forums - and i’ve been an avid forum member since 2005.

Dom’t get me wrong, i’m only passing on my experiences/thoughts - I don’t want to diminish yours; they’re equally as valid as mine. It’s only my opinion that the issue is minor…and I only say that because the issues don’t bother me.

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You claim i’m lying then very boldly lie and say that 90% of those other Mmo’s are WoW refugee’s with absolutely zero proof. I know many many players who have played FF11 and then moved onto 14 without going near WoW and the same goes for GW1 to GW2 and numerous other mmo’s so to try and make up the fact that any other MMO is just riding the coat tails of Blizzard’s lost subs is just outrageous and quite honestly pretty damn pathetic.

XIV you can literally buy boosts for Main classes IE Warrior/Paladin etc aswell as buying boosts for Crafter/Gatherer classes so they aren’t only doing cosmetic.

GW2 gold/gem I didnt specify that portion because WoW offers the same system but with GW2 mounts are locked behind a gem store which primarily is bought with IRL cash.

WoW offers gold tokens in turn for Blizzard Balance credit so are you suggesting that Blizzard are okay to MTX because they use the same system as GW2 in that respect?

GW2 isn’t free because you have to buy expansions so it’s not free to play it’s pay to own which are vastly different terms.

GW2 sells black market keys which are essentially loot boxes for items so to try and say they only sell cosmetics again is complete nonsense.

The sum of money for token is something Blizzard does to make the purchase of WoW tokens worth it so sure whilst GW2’s Gem/Gold ratio is cheaper they offer far far more MTX options and lets face it non MTX outfits in GW2 look absolutely horrendous.

You can keep coming at me with these nonsense replies but I’ve played Mmo’s for over 15 years so I’ve seen my fair share of bull being sold to players aswell as games done great so next time you wanna try and call me out atleast do the minimum amount of research before embarassing yourself.

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Shadowlands sold the most copies but it also have the highest player drop off ever. I wouldn’t call that a success.

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Yes I have, and I am happy to give you a few headlines of it. Because nowhere in the report is something evem similar to that stated.

Activision Blizzard stock reached an all time high during covid.

Q1 revenue increase 27% year on year.

Within the Blizzard division they saw a growth of 7% year on year, primarily driven by the warcraft franchise.

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Isn’t what I said. If a mmorpg player quits the WoW. It’s likely they won’t go to another mmorpg or will pick another mmorpg. Given how widely WoW has been played and quite as many has played WoW at some point

It’s safe to assume that likelyhood there’s quite ALOT of ex-WoW players who are now on those mmorpgs.

Go have a look for yourself. Go ask in twitch chats of other mmorpgs about who came to the game from WoW.

I’m sorry at no point did I say “100% of players from other games played WoW” I said there’s lots of players from WoW in other mmorpgs.

Did I at any point say there was anything wrong with retail WoW selling boosts? No. Because it’s expected a game of this year to hold the same things every other mmorpg has on its market.

But tbc is not a 2021 game. And shouldn’t be held to the standards of a 2021 game. Applying 2021 mentalities to games of 2007 is largely toxic in itself and is what ruined classic for many to begin with.

It’s a old game that should uphold its old ideals. That’s 0 cash shop.

This deluxe edition is almost 2x the price of Shadowlands deluxe edition. Lol. Your litterally defending this?

Shadow lands base copy is CHEAPER then your damn character clone!

They aren’t mounts.

You can access every TYPE of mount in gw2 for free. Their unlocked by achievements and story.

You can buy SKINs so the ability to CUSTOMISE your mount with Gems.

Please state this correctly. You cannot buy the actual mount

If you buy that thing for gems via the store without unlocking the mount you litterally can’t use it til you unlock the mount

Gw2 only has 7 mounts total. I’m sorry but your applying WoWs mount systems to this logic and it doesn’t make sense because gw2 mounts are nothing like WoWs.

U can get 1-80 access fractals (m+) 1-100 access all raids, unranked and ranked PvP, legendaries and all ascended (BiS gear) on the free model.

All the expansions give you is story and access to elite speccs. And if you play the right class you litterally don’t need them.

You are correct. But all the items in the boxs are buyable in auction house. Earnt by map completion or bought from the store.

The black boxs ( while I agree are horrible ) actually just give yourself a way to buy Ur way the only black box limited items are the contracts.

The contracts give you access to Ur bank without going to a bank.

In a game which you can port to the mists use the bank and press return to exactly where you are.

It’s completely redundent.

Your creating a mountain out of a hill, and your contextualising things to make it sound worse then it actually is.

Do not lie or use word play to defend your argument because your idea of mounts is wrong the black lion box keys items arent only obtainable by the black lion box. And the game itself is entirely F2p.

The game doesn’t go up 10 levels, it doesn’t release new armour and half the game doesn’t even work on the armour you do earn

And given the EU are changing laws the black boxs are about to dissapear anyway.

Your arguments make things sound worse then they are because you don’t include the other half the story.

74 pounds of a deluxe edition of tbc. Is a rip off.

35 pounds to Clone each character. Is a rip off.

Like do you shills ever actually stop trying to defend The BS this company does

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This is the problem with you moron’s who think that anyone is a shill for not instantly jumping on the bandwagon.

I agree the prices are a rip off but you’ve decided i’m a Blizzard shill and that I’m defending them when it’s the furthest thing from it.

Pointing out the facts of other games doesn’t make me a shill it makes me someone who can have a normal informative discussion unlike you.

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It’s more important to these people to throw baby temper tantrum than to actually try act like civilized ‘adults’.
The far leftist way of thinking; ‘either you agree with us or we’ll cancel you, and tell everyone what an (insert some bad people slur) person we think you are.’

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No… it has several expansions that you buy for real money. Its not f2p, only the base game…

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No your not. Lol your speaking on topics which are either worded terribly or are false.

As stated above to exactly where.

And lol moron? Instantly? Bro they’ve been killing this game for like 6 years now nothing instant about this. It’s been doing the playerbase a disservice since WoD!

Games accomplished one good expansion and 3 bad expansions so far. Litterally nothing instant or bandwagon about that. It’s just called continuously failing your playerbase.

When not even talisen is defending blizzard it says enough.

The games being bashed on by more players then ever before. And your acting like there isn’t a problem.

Nothing to do with a bandwagon. It’s to due with I’m fed up waiting 8 years for them to drop something decent.

And no your not doing that. Your contextualising things to make other games sound worse. To make WoW sound better.

The fact you keep saying you buy physical mounts from the gem store proves this, you don’t buy physical mounts in gw2. Because there’s only 7 mounts in the game, 1 for each species.

Gem store sells Mount skins, these aren’t mounts you can’t buy this to use the mounts. It’s incorrect information. You use these to add customization options to your mount.

So you can make Ur raptor look branded for example.

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You didn’t read what j wrote.

Gw2 has no level increase per expansion or new gear it doesn’t exist.

In gw2 you can

Play 1-80
Obtain legendary weapons
Obtain ascended gear (BiS items)
Play fractals 1-100 (it’s like m+ without a timer)
Do map completion.
Do dungeons

You can get to the same power level as every other player paying or not.

So no, providing you play the right class, and deal with the small trial inconviences. You actually can play “F2p”.

The expansions give you more story and elite specialisations.

The game is completely playable F2p which is true. But yes it does have expansions you can buy.

But gw2 the game is f2p lol.

F2p accounts can enter tournaments! Lol

Ofcourse lacking elites will impact you and you can’t raid since they didn’t exist properly prior HoT

And sure it’s prolly not 90% of players in other games. It’s called a exaggeration not a lie lol

I’mma throw this down.

The expansions are sold in the game yes. But it’s also very normal for F2p games to have microtransactions.

The game is f2p, because the game is the base game. Expansions are extensions of that content and aren’t near as bit comparitively.

When it’s allows you to play infinite. Obtain the best gear in the game. Reach Max level and even enter tournaments. It’s not some “trial”

The base game itself is entirely f2p. Just because it offers you extra content for paying 25 pound doesn’t change that I’m afraid.

The fact is anyone is able to pick the game up. And play to the very highest point of the game with 0 cost.

Do I specifically think that’s a good thing? No. But it isn’t incorrect to say that. The game itself is f2p

Rift and everquest 2 are also f2P and sell content through microtransaction. It doesn’t change the fact they are f2pv in most its content

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Lol temper tantrum?.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

No ones throwing a temper tantrum. It’s fine to be honest about a game when it’s falling out the sky in a ever ongoing decline in quality for 8 years.

This isn’t like SLs the first bad expansion. Or the first time a expansions ran straight into a draught I’m afraid.

It’s not unwarranted or unfounded currently to say the quality of wow is poor

The issue is too many people like to try “silence negativity” by making it sound unfounded. The negativity gets louder against exactly that.

People like to call everything the opinons of minorities. While the game lost half its playerbase in its first 2 months

If these decisions WoW was making were made by any other company the company would have died long ago.

WoW is kept alive because it’s blizzard. Full stop. And when you come to that reality. What else do you call them?

If SL was a brand new game from a brand new company most of you all woulda refunded this. But because it’s WoW you will tolerate it and “give it another chance”

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Just because there isnt a level increase doesnt mean you miss out on things facepalm the expansions provides tons of content and new loot.

And yeah, same dungeons for 8 years speaks of success :laughing: GW2 endgame is bad, if you can call it that.

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race change is ok and mount not?! are u ** serious ??? go home troll

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The Ascended gear from the base game and the gen 1 legendaries are as Powerful as the ones from the expansion. the new loot dont provide a Power gain over the previous game or Hot Which is what i stated.

from a Power grind Perception the games Power grinding ends very quickly. and can end before u even touch Path of Fire.

that isnt true.

Dungeons Just had their name Changed to Strikes / fractals.

theres 100 Fractals in the game Currently.
6 Strike Missions.
1 Raid Map.
and 6 wings of Raid bosses.

GW2 is Primarily a PvP based MMORPG realistically, so rather incorrect there.

the reason why Some find GW2 Perceptionally bad, is because Gear progression doesnt exist in GW2 therefore theres no drive to do the hardest content If ur gear motivated.

GW2 defintly isnt king when it comes to group/raid content production… but “8 dungeons only” isnt correct.

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