Slaughterhouse

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First off. I commend you. So far, Dragonflight has been a real blast. I love practically most changes.

I will not sit here and insult anyone at blizard, it is not my intend. But with what I am about to say, logic fails me so mutch, that I find it hard not to get frustrated. It only raises more questions to my self than answers.

Since Shadowland, at the end of season 4, meaning Dragonflight pre-patch. I have consistently done 1/3 of Unholy, Havoc, Demonology and Afflictions damage. These classes does tripple of my damage. As of right now, I am full pvp geared and not once have I ever been top damage, even though I am accompanied by a pocket healer. I simply can not keep up with a Havoc’s over all spread damage.

That being said.

Havoc has a consistent 25% healing reduction lasting 6 sec, on aoe, requires nothing besides 35 fury, on a 15sec CD (scaling down with haste). Theoretically, you can have a gap of 4sec on this healing reduction. Theoretically.

But it requires far more globals and wasted damage output to keep slaughter house up on multiple people. I do not disagree with all the changes to slaughterhouse. But I think the “not refreshing stacks when new is applied” is a bit overboard.

Basically any class that has a consistent 20%-25%-35% can almost keep it up endlessly.

Demon hunter, as of right now. If having no haste at all (very unlikely) would consistently be ablet to keep 50% healing reduction up at 40%. And that is on multiple targets with ease.

An arms warrior can keep 50% healing reduction up at 24%, on a single target. It requires him to use sweeping strikes, which again, is on a 30sec cooldown, so it will only make the % lower since it doesn’t match in time. But even then it would require that it is chosen as a talent.

I understand that healing reduction can be detremental with the changes in pvp. But I can not fathom how Havoc can keep go below the radar. They have absurd healing (Yes I know it’s being nerfed this wednesday) they have absurd mobility, enough to make feral druids cry out from lack of mobillity. They have absurd consistent damage and worse is, their consistent damage is almost 80% cleave damage and to top it all off. They’re are allowed to keep a 50% healing reduction talent, which isn’t even part of the pvp talents, but is a basic talent in their talent tree. So they don’t even have to sacrifice any pvp talents in order to get it. Which both Fury AND arms have to.

I am seriously baffled by such a thing that should be logically. Like, I spoke to my dad about this, who doesn’t even play wow. Just to see if someone who doesn’t play the game, would logically see that something isn’t right.

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The DH healing is 25% in pvp

And fury is busted af, idk what are you on about.

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Let me guess. You lost in a 1v1 after you got nerfed on your death strike?

Currently as it stands. If Fury is busted af as you so delightfully put it. Then elemental, enhancement, demonology, Havoc, shadow and Evoker are far more busted??? Like all these beats me with a blink of an eye. Elemental blast is no joke, even after nerfs. Aff lock dmg is nearly impossible to survive with the shear amount of healing they have.

I never said I disagree with the healing reduction nerf. Like… I don’t know how you can’t be constructive but only “omglulz u dumb, fury op lmao hur dur”…

Like… What I disagree with is the change that prevents it from refreshing when a new stack is applied. That is all.

Assa is still 35% healing reduc with 2 charges.

Even then. 25% on a high mobile, high burst, high constistant dmg class is still busted. Like Havoc is far, far, far, far more busted than fury is even close to be. I’ll see you in 14 days when you’re ready to complain about dying to DH in arena.

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Not even the issue. I lose all 1v1 now because i dont heal versus mortal strikes. Fury is busted, that dps with uptime should not have a constant 40% heal reduction. I am not justifying Dh or assa. They shouldnt either, but at least they are starting somewhere

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Every mortal strike effect is getting reduced, you should’ve seen it coming…
Speaking of enhancement shaman, you fury are having a great time destroying us xD.
They should honestly try to cap every mortal strike around 25%

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I don’t think either of you are reading. I don’t mind the nerf to the MS effect. It’s the not refreshing that is an issue. Think of it like this. Without slaugtherhouse, Fury is nothing. That “dps” you’re refering to… I got no idea what you’re on about. Unholy does more. Elemental does more, Moonkin does more, Havoc does WAY more, Demo does WAY more, Aff does WAY more, Shadow does WAY more. Fury damage really isn’t that great. The preassure you feel is slaughterhouse, because it’s strong. Yes. There for I don’t disagree with nerfing it and yes I did see it comming. But not to this exstend. What baffles me, is that DH is still not getting nerfed. Like… Sure they nerfed their self healing and sure they nerfed The hunt. But the hunt is far from the issue. Immolate is often top damage, then they got their bleed from their glaive toss. Their consistant damage is twice as high as most other classes, their burst is higher than any other class. They got both increadible substain, increadible burst, increadible defence, increadible cc, increadible mobility. Havoc has close to no draw backs and the easiest rotation in the entire game.

I would go to the exstend and say. If Slaughterhouse should be nerfed this bad, I’d like my consistant damage on par with Unholy, Demo and Havoc. Even Demo, who does twice my damage, has an MS effect.

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https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/got-oneshot-with-200k-ele-blast-crit/409241https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/got-oneshot-with-200k-ele-blast-crit/409241

Either it’s a skill issue or other shamans are just really lucky. Last I checked you get instant elemental blast too. Issue of doing upwards to 250k-300k Elemental blast, instantly. Is that you can not predict/defend against such a high number, instant cast, out of nowhere. It’s unpredictable.

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Yes you theorically can, I’m gonna watch a movie and I’ll answer you later.
Don’t deflect from the subject, it’s not about enhancement shaman, that got nerfed with a -70% to our spenders.
Healing included.

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How am I deflecting from the subject??? And considering I said

I don’t really think you have more to say on the subject considering this was your arguing defence.

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in DF fury unironically went from a 3 button spec to a 2 button spec. Your spec is and has been since SL rewarded for tunnel visioning a single target full PvE style, you have multiple talents that straight up tells you “dont switch targets, you´ll win eventually”.
For spreading slaughterhouse you use whirlwind aoe procs.

Guess what the classes you listed has in common? They cleave, are you telling me that you should be outdpsing an affliction warlock who has dots on 3+ targets or an unholy dk that spams diseases? you´re not looking at this objectively at all.
Fury is a spec that should never have been enabled in PvP at all.

The fact that the only difference between a 1.5k fury and a 2.5k fury is that the 1.5k fury will have a “swifty oneshot macro” where as the 2.5k will actually know what his abilities do and rotate them appropiately beyond that you cant even tell them apart. its time to dump fury back into PvE where it belongs by straight up removing slaughterhouse and let arms shine again so we dont have yet another season of 2.5k rated fury warriors who dont have pummel on their actionbars.

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You quoted yourself ?

Anyway, back to Ele blast and the “oh no I can’t defend against it as a fury warrior”.
I won’t lie, you are required to focus a little, and to check for clues on when the big blast might be coming. It might be hard. As a fellow enhancer, I know what to look at, and maybe you don’t. Here’s the theory :

  • Enhance casts big Ele Blasts at 10 maelstrom stacks, so check how many stacks they currently have !
  • Enhance use Feral Spirits when it’s time to cast a big Ele Blast, and to go into a burst rotation. Look out for wolves !

What you have to do is :

  • Cast Spell reflect
  • Cast Enraged Regeneration

If you’re playing fury warrior, it shouldn’t be too hard for you to win against an Enhancement shaman, just have to maintain the slaughterhouse stacks ! And do enough pressure, so that we use those 10 stacks on a 70% nerfed half heal :slight_smile:

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I wholeheartedly disagree with this on so many levels. The fact that you put specs as pve or pvp is the most biased bs in here.

It’s like saying unholy is the ONLY pvp spec for dk. Where frost has been really good for a while but the past expansions, Unholy has been both top PVE AND PVP spec. But I guess that doesn’t matter, right??

And with the cleave part. No I don’t think I should out dps a cleave spec. But all their single target abilities as DH is literally cleave aswell. Their rotation doesn’t change and they simply just do more dmg if there is only one target, so I don’t see your arguement at all.

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Well. Since you decided to this condecending I will do as the person above you and say. Stop playing Enhance and start playing elemental so we can have elemental as the only pvp spec and let it shine!

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And to both of you. I’ll leave the conversation with both, not because I can’t defend my self, but because I won’t sit here with condesending sarcastic remarks. But… I wanna bet, 14 days from now and you will barely see any fury warrior at all. Now, mr DK won’t mind since he want arms to be the OP. But it seriously got no defence, it got no way to survive in this meta. So I wanna guess. You won’t see any warrior at all if barely any. But in 14 days, I will return, tag you both and let’s see if I were right. Because I’m sure, that isn’t what you want either. But that is what will happen, I believe.

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I’ll keep playing enhance, wether it’s trash or meta, been doing this since legion.
I wasn’t patronising you. It’s hard to know when the Blast is going to hit, even if you keep track of wolves/stacks. It’s rewarding when I ground it, and it’s rewarding when you reflect it. It happens and can happen.

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I apologise for the assumption then. Just sounded as such. I’ve never been a fan of fast meta or one shots. Dont know if thaf makes a difference.

But saw on my way to bed, that Baj atleast agree. Its the no refresh, not the nerfs or the stack or anything else. Its the no refresh. I dont think you realiase how big of an impact it is.

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An affliction warlock wont outdps you in single target, if he does its beause he is fully freecasting the entire time n even if you´re both just sitting n slapping away at eachother PvE style you will both win that fight convincingly aswell as outdamage the warlock. Fury has far too many passives n way too few interactive buttons that requires thought before pressing.

You mentioned frost dk, i am of a simular opinion of frost as i am of fury that it should probally remain a PvE spec, that being said frost isnt actually that good of a comparison since they are extremely immobile n for them to sustain they actively sacrifice their main damage tool. I think will of necropolis was a terrible design because its a passive with no player input, that is however already nerfed far beyond what was considered reasonable and i dident see you rush to defend dk´s from getting literarelly slam dunk nerfed into crap tier.

For me to accept fury as a PvP spec it needs a full scale rework, High mobility should resault in poor defensives or poor damage, essentially what im saying is something has to give. Im guessing you dont want to go back to the old days where kiting a warrior was the meta but that is exactly the fundamental problem, the “kite the warrior” argument has not been even remotely valid for 8-10 years now.

Make impending victory cost 80 fury n make it an active choice between rampage and victory rush, thats a choice alot of other classes has to make. Remove most passive sources of self sustain and damage mitigations, Force warriors to actively know what buttons they are pressing and what the buttons does. Zug Zug might be fury warriors class fantasy, but its not anyone elses class fantasy to get Zug Zuged by a guy who has 3 total abilities he doesnt even understand what they´re doing and simply presses whatever isnt on cooldown, that is fundamentally not how PvP should be played and it baffles me that you´re happy with a spec that is in essence self playing with no forced decision making.

I have played Fury aswell n just like im fine with the DK nerfs eventhough they went way overboard with it will of the necropolis had to get toned due to being a passive, same goes for the entire fury warrior kit. 95% of a PvP class talents shouldnt be passives requiring no player input.

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You’re probably right on this one, they should’ve tried to cap it around 25%, like the other MS effects.
After reading what I wrote earlier, it sounded a bit sarcastic, sorry.

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What other classes besides DK? And i guess you have a problem with DH aswell? So did you defend aff in SL when it couldn’t live? Or fury for 3 seasons when it couldn’t compede? Did you ask for dk to be nerfed when they were unkillable for 3 expansions until deep dampening? Didnt think so.

There is a difference between being frustrated on a spec and evolving a conflict to it and then objectively try and find solutions.

Like not once have you accepted that im not against its nerf only the not refresh part.

Also, sincere question. If my prediction is right that it will throw fury out of the pvp scene, will you then come to its rescue?

Probably not. Because you’re hell bend on it being a pve spec. Perhaps you should keep personal opinions out of this and be more objective. I’m seeking balance, not personal pvp development. And in terms of balance, means I’d like for all specs to be viable in one shape or form. I know they cant all be top tier. But this will make it useless to even try.

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I would honestly not had complained then.
I just tried, its hard to reach a decent number with 4 or 8 stacks. :rofl: