blizz you know you can’t just hand a class an extra button that hits like a train without rebalancing the whole rest of the class, right?
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The tradeoff was supposed to be you are losing Flying Serpent Kick for it, and trust me, against ranged you DEFFO notice it. It can also be, and should be stopped with any root / other micro cc because it sends it on cd without going off.
Imagine you had to trade Heroic leap for Demolish, smth like that.
With that said, and as I have said several times, it should not be able to crit. It should still deal big damage, because otherwise whats the point? They are hardly gonna remove it now, after all, they like to entice people to use new shiny buttons. As for me (and most other people on monk discord seem to think), they should probably gut it more so we can go back to just pick FSK because its such a QoL to have it.
Crackling Jade Lightning, the other big offender is already being picked less and less now that that you can no longer stack it before gates open.
Have some patience, WW will see more nerfs before being pushed back to mediocrity, it is also at the top of raid dps parses.
It will still own double melee lobbies, something it did in season 1 already, its just that you rarely saw WW to begin with.
Idk i probably repeat myself but some classes got too much control and at the same time too much damage and too much mobility.
on top of that monk has lets see 3x gap closers , 1 teleport , + 1 racial that can also be something crazy with no limits what so ever.
Aoe stun, incap, getting tossed by ring, kicked in the air.
Sorry , wtf ?
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u forgot + really good defensive cd´s
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I agree with everything but cc, ww only get 1min cd stun so that’s probably why they are doing insane dmg constantly cause they kinda have to, without it they can’t do anything (especially since everybody got insane mobility and multiple def CD).
This is absolutely true…however, WW monk is not one of those classes.
Outdated mobility compared to others. There are million roots in the game. Not saying WW should be more mobile, some other specs need nerf in that department. WW is not even the most mobile melee atm.
Amazing and iconic monk ability.
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Stun is on a 1 minute cd, but it is good when you can double or triple sweep. Para (the incap) is a joke. What is wrong with the ring? Are we just listing abilities now? Knock up is annoying, that is deffo true, but to some classes it is even a buff to their mobility (hunters and boomies can disengage much further after being knocked up).
Defensives are really good combined with port.
This, but I would also add to that almost zero team utility.
I’ve already said multiple times, gut SW and CJL. But no one has answered to me yet, what is WW supposed to do without big dam?
Yeah my guy everyone above 2.4 is just listing monk abilities.
Its like emojis but for wow.
Skibidi generation.
Nothing you write changes the fact that you are objectively wrong, monk does not have too much control, infact it probably has the least.
And really, q about RoP? I had to rub my eyes to make sure this is not 2012.
Btw, fury has surpassed WW on solo shuffle above 2.4k and think spriest is tied in numbers.
But since time and time again it has been pointed out that rep alone is a bad metric to determine if a spec is strong, the truth is rogue and feral are best melee specs in the game, just harder to play than ww and especially fury.
It is just so funny to me seeing people mald about a spec that brings nothing but damage, do big damage.
Can you link where you see fury surpassed WW in solo shuffle above 2.4k?
Please tell me you are using EU statistics for it though.
I was using US statistics my bad. WW discord is mainly NA, so most of talk is influenced by them.
I will still take a word from some1 like Dorito, who pushes glad on WW no matter the state (think the only 2 glad spots for WW in s1 wer by his main and alt) over some random eu posters with a victim complex. Srsly this guy does nothing but blame literally anything else even tho he probably plays feral.
On EU WW is still no1, which is no surprise because EU is dramatically more meta slave compared to NA.
But that is not the point.
Like I said, rep alone is not a good criteria. And I already said multiple times WW needs more nerfs, mainly to SW and CJL because those two abilities crits are what is demolishing people.
But the way complainers are wording their complaints is what annoys me the most. It is week 3 of the season and people are acting like WW damage being overtuned rn is a new retocalypse from DF season 1. So knowing Blizzard, the spec is probably gonna get nerfed too hard and back to obscurity.
High dam is a big factor in pvp, especially in rss. But people claiming the winner is just who PvEs harder are being dishonest. CC and momentum absolutely do matter aswell. And WW is quite limited in that department.
No. The point is, even if other ppl are devious. Dont do it yourself.
So when you lied about “WW bring nothing but dmg” but saying you find it funny, I find it funny when ppl are openly devious.
You used US statistics only to drive a point… Because of discord? How? Did they show a picture of it and you never questioned or looked into it yourself? =p
And this is one of the major points. EU is more meta driven compared to NA.
EU and NA will always have some form of disagreements every now and then in terms of specs performances.
Devious?
A bit of a harsh word, dont you think?
Ok, so you tell me what DOES ww bring but damage?
AoE stun. Peace. Incap. Tigers lust. Knock up. MS effect on RSK. Great defensives. More depending on what you spec into.
Just because other people might be dishonest dont rly mean you have to do it yourself.
Thats the point of this. Some ppl on this forum are so used to being dishonest I just tend to ignore it these days.
And double check your info before trusting discord fully.
in rated 2v2/3v3 yes, in shuffle they are mid.
na disc priest took the retocalypse spot
The grip root and frequent knock ups are the most fried unnecessary spells that nobody asked for.
Dunno why devs think people enjoy being accidentally launched into the air for 3 seconds and dragged across the map. The design is just beyond me.
I think if WW with keyboard could actually die the broken damage wouldn’t be that much of a problem.
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Ok, my argument was that WW needs to have bigger damage because it lacks in other departments.
So lets examine the things you listed more thoroughly.
AoE stun - decent, especially when you can double or triple sweep. Hardly the only spec which has it tho.
Para is a joke, and it is griefing half the specs you are lobbied with. It is used more as an interrupt, which just makes it one of those annoying micro ccs (together with WDP).
Monk CC is a joke overall.
Tigers lust is solid, but nothing to write home about. If it gave a brief immunity to movement impairment effects, that would be really welcome.
WW lost mobility going into TWW (which is ok, but many other specs kept theirs) while being one if the few specs who doesn"t have ranged damage or dot style pressure when getting kited (unless it is a gimmick like CJL).
MS, you mean that effect that half the specs in the game now have? Btw, fury may be lower on the dps list everyone is so obsessed about compared to WW, but the stronger and more uptime MS is what will give fury wins.
Monk had all of those things you listed in last season too but it didn"t matter.
Defensives are good, that is true. But it has nothing to offer to its teammates utility wise (and this goes into PvE too, monk has no lust, BR and only the probably worst party buff atm, because not many specs deal full ph damage).
Almost all the stuff you mentioned pale in comparison to what other specs can bring to the table.
Hunter has big damage, tankiness, mobility AND cc, so what do we do about it?
Shadow priest needs to hardcast and has no mobility, so is it ok that it is immortal to anything that is not fury/ww?
This is the last time I will write this: nerf Slicing Winds more (make it unable to crit, or gut it completely, I dont care). Nerf CJL. But when those outliers are dealth with, I see no reason why WW shouldnt get to keep higher than average dam, considering everything else.
“My spec has nothing, but look at all these other specs and compare them to mine”.
Yes, I find you funny just as you find other ppl funny.
Ah, sorry, forgot, WW only has dmg. Everything else is just bad and terrible compared to any other spec.
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So what do we balance the game around then?
Because people here seem really inconsisstent.
Something is strong in RSS and Blitz, nerf it vs. who cares about those joke brackets, its not really pvp anyway.
Yes, this is literally what I am saying (except for the defensives).
You are free to disagree. After all, it is a forum for discussion.
You are right but sadly nobody can play 3s anymore because of solo q so blizzard will do furthet change only from solo q point of view instead of régular 3s(as it used to be).
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