You are completely clapped.
The first guy said hunter pets do more DPS, they do not.
The second guy said green dk parses are higher dps than ret pink parses, they are not.
Now you’re saying ilvl parses? What…? There’s no ilvl parses on a character WCL page you clown. Jeez man you’re literally the reason people meme ret and don’t take anything seriously.
As a matter of speaking, of course beast masters (best pet + hunter) combined perform even worse than retri’s atm, and they don’t even get to provide a buff or blessing.
retail mindset.
same thing happened with raids “I cant see the content but I should be able to see it because I pay a monthly sub”
Just to point out, you got that the wrong way around.
It was Blizzard going “we’re making raids more accessible so people can see our content”.
Holy Priest is viable but definitely not competitive. For blanketing, Resto Druid is just straight up better than Renew Holy Priest. For reactive healing, Resto Shaman is just straight up better than Serendipity Holy Priest. There is no reason to bring Holy Priest over other classes, yet no Holy Priest cries.
Warriors do not cry as well, but this aside because that’s the obvious comparison. Now look at feral. Its dps is not that much bigger than that of a Retri. But unlike ret, Feral has the most complicated and unpleasant rotation with all the Cat<->Bear shifting and they bring very little utility which is better to be substituted by Feral tank. I am yet to see a single feral cry.
Rets are the biggest whiners.
Lol cmon, at least argue in good faith.
Hey, holy priest main here. They’re fun to play. I switched over mid-phase1 cause I got bored of the 1 button rotation that disc priests have, all you do is press shield on every target that doesn’t have a shield and look at your purple parses. They’re the ego-stroking spec “look am purple number, am top heal, me so good”. Never seen any other disc go full crit to actually provide all the benefits they get from crit procs which was weird, still got all purple parses with 0 haste in P1. Makes me think a lot of disc priests don’t know how to push that one button they have to push…
The other reason is the more common one, disc priests are hated amongst all healers.
There are some fights I’ve though about switching to disc because it’d be more useful, like Vezax, but hasn’t proved necessary yet.
As I said, Holy Priest is 100% viable, but when it comes to decision making about filling healer spots, Holy Priest is on low prio.
When you go 4-healer setup, you want to have a Holy Paladin and a Disc Priest for obvious reasons. That leaves you with 2 open spots for other healers. 2 reactive healers are good to have, 3 reactive healers is a complete overkill. You have holy paladin already, so that leaves you with only 1 spot for a reactive healer. You can choose from Resto Shaman, Serendipity Priest or another Holy Paladin. I think the choice is obvious. Similarly, as you already have a Disc, you have only 1 spot open for a blanketing healer. You can choose from a Resto Druid or a Renew Holy Priest. Again, the choice is obvious.
In a 5-healer setup, there is much more room for a Holy Priest, but only for the Renew spec, not for the Serendipity one (same reasoning as above). Still you’d rather take another Resto Druid for Revitalize procs.
My point was, despite all of this I haven’t seen a single Holy Priest cry how bad they are in comparison with other healing classes.
Its simple! Because you already have the same rol covered with another spec. Your healer spec is Discipline. As a Ret paladin your only DPS role is complete and utter garbage.
What other spec can Shadow Priest use for DPS? By logic of Rets, Shadow Priest is nowhere near the top of DPS ladders and could use some buffs because it has no alternative DPS spec.
Whole discussion about class buffs is non-sense.
No i hope they nerf both dk and paladins to hell so that half servers wont be swarmed with paladins and dk and both classes wont be more than 10% of population
I do actually wonder how would/do OG rets perform in current minmaxing environment 
I think begging for seal or that T10 set is heavy copium overdose, dont forget what was top dps decade ago, would be like middle of the pack on current classic …
Well, it is about having an OK toolkit. Nothing modified, no bug exploits, as DKS did, no nothing.
Ironically, shadow priests are about the spot where rets are asking to be.
Lower to mid B tier.
We’d be worse on fights like Kologarn but that’s just a cheese fest anyway.
Actually not at all.
Even in its twisted form, SoB hits 10% harder on AAs as soon as we enter the fight adn the judgements hit for 25 or 30% harder comparted to SoV.
In the initial from it used to hit on AAs 5% harder than SoV and the judgement was hittont 50% harder than the fully stacked SoV Judgement.
That damage got removed and we got no other compensation for it. The tier bonuses were just a lazy attempt to compensate.
SoB is bad, move on.
Nope, you are. Atually, you are very bad.
SoB is literally less single target damage than SoV, worse at AoE than the revamped SoC and barely better than SoR for sub 20 second fights.
Removing SoB did what it was intended to do, remove burst in favor of more steady dps.
Anyone remembers when in TBC the rogues were constantly complaining on this forum that semi-optimal raid composition was one rogue maximum ?
Yeah, me neither.