So are devastation evokers ever gonna get a defensive buff?

Easy to play? Maybe. But we talked about how hard it is to master. And I would say, you are not in a position to judge that, as you are probably one of those 99 players out of a hundred who aren’t able to mastery it.

How are they two different things?

arent able to master it i see, and thats for you to judge, im pretty sure after 2000 games on this character i know how the character works and its not very complex at all , not even at advance level

The “most mobile” caster in the game can only hover 1/3 of the time.

4 times if you use time spiral, by the time you used your third hover your first one will be up again giving you a total of 4 hovers in a row if you dont just spam use it without spending its duration, i know everything about the class, what works, what doesnt , advanced stuff, there is NOTHING the class can dish out that i havent done yet, it all comes down to tuning of classes

You know, having played one, they did seem a bit two dimensional.

Feels like it needs a decent defensive - they’re so easy to kill

its funny how this comes from people who actually played the class and know this, but most people who dont play or just watch streams assume its good in every aspects and that its a ''skill issue ‘’ there is nothing skills can do vs a DH/warr tunneling you, your 1 shot wont kill them, your sustain dmg wont do anything towards them,

same vs sp/lock, or RMP, its not gonna work you simply are only a gimmic class right now that the worst players dont know how to counter but the good players allready figured it out, and it shows how weak the class is when its played at its best vs some playerrs who is just decent, trying to bait out defensives is not even gonna work when the sustain dmg on eevery other class right now is much higher than ours

I am pretty sure that I sang in total more than 2000 hours in my live. Under the shower, while playing with music and so on.

But that doesn’t change the fact, that I still can’t sing and that I am not able to tell anybody how to sing correctly. I am just bad at it!

and im not bad at it :slight_smile: there is a diffrence ^^ its okay to admit your bad, but i know im good ^^

But all your game history leads us to that picture. I mean, you only played melees so far and your experience does not suggest, that you are capable of mastering a class in pvp, that is made for the advanced players.

And with the answer you just gave, you literally proved that you just have a vastly overestimated self-confidence to judge objectively.

You are quick to attribute your mistakes to the supposed weakness of your class, as well as the supposed strength of the opposing class, before you even think of looking at yourself to see if you have done anything wrong.

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im so happy you know me :smiley: you must know my whole life, and 15 years of world of warcraft, im relieved, some1 like you know me, wow now i cannot wait to tell my mom…

#sarcasm

both evoker specs have 2 charges of a 30% wall that makes them immune vs interrupts and silences right?

and they both have renewing blaze which is pretty op imo

both on a rather short cd i think aswell, 90 sec each if i remember correctly

I dont think thats bad

renewing blaze doesnt work vs 2 ppl tsging you , trust me. it wont, the wall doesnt make you immune unless you play the talent, there is a bug right now where it looks like you cannot be kicked but without the talent you can ,

well then renewing blaze is maybe bugged. But if it truly heals back 100% of the dmg you take its basically an immunity. Is the tooltip wrong or the ability bugged, I cant tell. But on paper thats an insane defensive imo

if you see a DH and a fury warrior just rushing towards you, and going all ape on you while you pop renewing blaze, your dead within 2.5 seconds, it cannot outheal it in time you wont even get a tic off or notice it, not only that you CANNOT slow them or get rid of them because your slow is so bad in this game that is laughable, you also have to contend with warriors spam charge and heroic leap as well as DH mobilty so you cannot get rid of them, its not a skill issue there, its just impossible, 2 min cd on time stop wont save you the biggest issue is that your trying to survive more than your trying to turn the situation around

Not Plate, Devoker is a mail armor class.

You lack basic knowledge on this topic. I don’t see any reason whatsoever for you defending poor developer decisions and wrong balance direction changes.

Monk currently has offensive CD stacking, so they can outdps the Envoker defensive toolkit.
Also Monk is completely unkiteable - always has been.
To add to this Ferals. Also can out dps and outlive and outkide all of the above.

Those are only a couple of mele casses.
When it comes to Demo/affliciton locks or arcane mages which can just out damage while out ranging the Devoker and outlive any form of pressure.

As I stated, currently the class feels like a gimped 25 yard hunter.

The slow is irrelevant vs everyone outside probably DKs, which have high passive pet damage, do it does not matter that much.

The only advanced mechanic this class has is the empower spells.
One of which is used with Tim the Scales for max empowered level instacast to maximise the direct damage and the other used at the minimal level to hit a single target.
Yet even on minimal empower level, you still have to channel for an entire caster global. On a “mobility” class.
There is no rotation outside of having those 2 empowered spells on cooldown.

Hover is also absurdly undertuned. The speedbuff is not enough, duration is not enough. There should be at least 1 additional mechanic tied to hover to make it a real boy.

Most classes can CAST into DK AMS. Devoker can’t even channel Desintegrate to pressure AMS. Again, you lack basic class mechanics knowledge.

Beta Devastation was played with end-season gear and pre-nerfed burst.
When you can setup a kill attempt once every 2 minutes, then most people would consider the spec playable.

To compare this, Legion/BFA/Shadowlands Fire mage had baked in mechanics to reduce the Combustion cooldown, where 99.9% of the kills and damage comes from. Yet again, I do not understand why this basic knowledge has to be pointed out to re-confirm the wide opinion that the Envoker spec is still in early beta stages.

Don’t take offence, but you are not bringing value to the thread or general Envoker conversation. To be honest, if you don’t main one, you should stick to other classes forum posts.

Evoker doesn’t have a defensive toolkit. Doesn’t have enough mobility. Doesn’t have high damage pressure ouside of a single 2min cd. Doesn’t have self sustain. Doesn’t have range.

Stop crying and use that energy to get better instead. We will see within season 1 and 2 where Devoker really stands.

Just wait for season 1 and 2 brother where you realize the spec is completely a meme instead of voicing your complains! We all have no experience on how the Game functions or how a Class can play out after 18 years and 16 years of WoW Arena!

A spec with 25 yard range, hard-casted spells that hit for very little, no decent CC and defensives will perform really good, you just suck!

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They’ll fix it for 11.0 :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face:

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Patch 10.2 its finally in Alpha Stage. :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face:

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Its a skill issue. :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face:

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