So Horde Bias rising again!

You are talking nonsense again, I’ve never said I don’t want superiority? I already said I want superiority for a while until scales finds balance? Factional balance is already impossible without giving Alliance some kind of advantage at least for a year.

Regarding this, I am fully okay with one faction being PvP god and the other faction PvE. It was like that during WoD, Alliance had advantage because of Human racial but Blizzard “without losing time” fixed it within Legion launch. Look at that irony… They don’t ignore the problem when the situation is disadvantegous for Horde side.

Horde were still better faction in PvE, that was okay, scales were balanced. Alliance = PvP, Horde = PvE, there it is the perfect balance but Blizzard ruined this.

So what’s all this “equal…we need ma equality.”

Oh…it’s we need equality, so Alliance should dominate for the next year and a half. That’s not equality, darling. So, what I say is true. You couldn’t handle equality, if it hit you in the face.

Alliance dominate the M+ scene, due to the Night Elf and Dwarf racials.
PvP is always tit-for-tat.
The raiding scene - well, I’m more than happy for that to be more Horde favored. It always has been.

I want more factional competition, I don’t wanna watch “Which Horde guild will be World First Race?” I wanna watch “World First Race”.

Alliance dominated MDI scene not M+ scene. Night Elf racial just works for dropping combat with an organized team it doesn’t work perfectly with pugs, besides especially this season I don’t think it is really a “must” since skipping packs is already possible because of new seasonal affix. It was a punch to Night Elves.

Don’t make me laugh by the way, do you know about Fear Ward of Dwarves and an Alliance guild called APES in Classic?

You cannot simply overpower the Alliance and expect balance to come from it. You’ll just tip the scales the other way, creating an Alliance heavy split instead.

This has already been proven by what happened prior when Horde racials were stronger. Did balance come from that then?

I believe that the only thing that Blizzard can realistically do is to offer players a true choice of faction by making them as balanced as possible and hope that change occurs naturally. Which, according to Bloodmallet, they have come pretty close to achieving, at least in DPS terms. The reports even seem to show that it currently favours the Alliance a bit.

The problem is not that players can’t faction change, its that they don’t want to.
As shown, when Blizzard offered high ilvl Warmode rewards to the Alliance and at least one high-end guild faction switched twice. Once to Alliance and then once back to Horde again. And that was/is their choice to make, as it should be.

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Doesn’t look like horde only top 10 looks like alliance mostly there and scrolling down .

How do you know this ? please give source

Some did some didn’t

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so where is the problem? it does not make them stronger, just more utility. learn to clean ur bag that will prob give you more than 8 spaces :smiley:

no hard feelings but human racial is way more game braking that some silly bag space?

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What happens if it goes 50.1% one way…does that side gain a buff until it goes back down…

You round it up. Integer vs float, duh.

Honestly, Blizzard would never bring in such a system. Why? Because it’s not up to Blizzard to decide which faction people want to play.

Yeah but Blizzard would bring a system that always makes Horde first in spotlight and make sure they give them OP racials so all guilds and everyone plays Horde because in the end, 70% of interns and devs of Blizzard are Horde players. Alliance is punching bag for them to look glorious and heroes.

But sure, it’s not up to Blizzard to decide what faction to play. Yeah right. That is exactly what is their job. To make game balanced. Playing alliance does not have any perks. None. Zicht. Nada.

Somewhat true but then again not. Velves weren’t requested, as example.

All aboard the Alliance Pity Train! When will this crazy ride ever end? (Answer is, never, everything is Horde bias, even things biased towards the Alliance is Horde Bias)

SO have you err, got any proof for your statement there, that 70% of Interns and Devs of Blizzard are Horde players?

I’ve got to say, that percentage people seem to love is a bizarre one, yesterday morning it was 94% of Devs were Horde, and that was a -Fact-, then by the evening it was 95% of Devs were Horde, and guess what, that too was a -Fact-, Now today it has went to 70% of Devs were Horde, you don’t say ‘it seems like’, you say ‘They Are’ which means that this 70% figure you are claiming is fact too.

Wow, either employment figures at Blizz are crazy, or some people on the Dev team suddenly woke up and started playing Alliance as mains instead,

In which case, given that no one would claim 70% of Devs were Horde without proof, which we await seeing, with sceptically bated breath, be of good Heart Alliance! Today there was a 25% swing of the number of Devs who are on the Alliance side! This makes a total of 30% Let us keep an eye on this completely unsubstantiated figure as it dips and dives, constantly avoiding colliding with facts…

Yeah…

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You must be heavily late in development if you expect anyone to go in Blizzards dev HQ and do a full blown study on percentage of the Horde vs Alliance bias.

But yeah lets look at allied races and you will see that Horde has more interesting races.
Lets look at racials of the Horde and you will see it.

or some people on the Dev team suddenly woke up and started playing Alliance as mains instead,

Topkek. Look at what is Ion playing. Horde Orc.

But okay that’s uh… Ion Hazzikostas. He is just uh… Main game director? Well maybe there are other devs. Lets look at Samwise Didier. You know the original art designer.

Nope. Nothing here screams Horde bias at 0:45. Nothing. No studies= no proof to prove it to the smug Blood Elf that there is no Horde bias.

Well then, maybe Narrative designer that, oh no we howdies look so weak :(((, is alliance biase-

Warchief calls.

So smart smug elfie, I have a question to you. Show me a proof that there is no Horde bias in dev team. There were multiple reddit comments of ex interns that claimed more than half of campus is Horde biased.

So give me proof of even hearsay on internet that isn’t true and that it is heavily Alliance biased.

Zero. Nothing. Nada. :slight_smile:

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Correction And we’ll keep mocking you.

As the forums trolls that we hordies are.

I play 3 Foxies at once so I get a massive 24 extra slots!

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Sigh, okay let’s try.

From Bloodmallet, current best races for PvE DPS appear to be:

Death Knight (Frost): 1 - Blood Elf, 2 - Human, 3 - Tauren
Death Knight (Unholy): 1 - Troll, 2 - Human, 3 - Gnome
Demon Hunter (Havoc): 1 - Night Elf, 2 - Blood Elf
Druid (Balance): 1- Tauren, 2- Kul Tiran, 3- Zandalari
Druid (Feral): 1 - Night Elf, 2 - Tauren, 3 - Highmountain
Hunter (Beast Mastery): 1 - Human, 2 - Troll, 3 - Dwarf
Hunter (Marksmanship): 1 - Human, 2 - Void Elf, 3 - Troll
Hunter (Survival): 1 - Human, 2 - Gnome, 3 - Goblin
Mage (Arcane): 1 - Troll, 2 - Gnome, 3 - Human
Mage (Fire): 1 - Troll, 2 - Void Elf, 3 - Dwarf
Mage (Frost): 1 - Dwarf, 2 - Human, 3 - Void Elf
Monk (Windwalker): 1 - Void Elf, 2 - Tauren, 3 - Human
Paladin (Retribution): 1 - Tauren, 2 - Dwarf, 3 - Human
Priest (Shadow): 1 - Human, 2 - Pandaren, 3 - Gnome
Rogue (assassination): 1 - Human, 2 - Dwarf, 3 - Gnome
Rogue (Outlaw): 1 - Dwarf, 2 - Human, 3 - Void Elf
Rogue (Subtlety): 1 - Void Elf, 2 - Human, 3 - Night Elf
Shaman (Elemental): 1 - Dwarf, 2 - Tauren, 3 - Goblin
Shaman (Enhancement): 1 - Dwarf, 2 - Tauren, 3 - Goblin
Warlock (Affliction): 1 - Troll, 2 - Human, 3 - Gnome
Warlock (Demonology): 1 - Troll, 2 - Human, 3 - Gnome
Warlock (Destruction): 1 - Troll, 2 - Dwarf, 3 - Human
Warrior (Arms): 1 - Human, 2 - Gnome, 3 - Zandalari
Warrior (Fury): 1 - Tauren, 2 - Dwarf, 3 - Human

By my count:
23 DPS classes/specs with 3 top slots + 1 class with 2 top spots = 71 Top Slots
Of these, 46 (65%) are races available to the Alliance.
Of these, 45 (63%) are races solely available to the Alliance.
Of these, 14 (of 24) (58%) 1st places belong to Alliance races
Of these, 5 are filled (1st place through 3rd) by races available to the Alliance
Of these, 4 are filled (1st place through 3rd) solely by Alliance races
Of these, 0 are filled (1st place through 3rd) solely by Horde races
Of these, Trolls are 1st 6 times (split across 3 classes)
Of these, Humans are 1st 6 times (split across 4 classes)

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Actually, insulting the person, because they disagree with you is generally regarded as a pretty childish move, so you may want to rethink your line of approach there.

And no one is going to Blizz HW and making a study on the percentages? How bizarre, yet you were the one who stated a percentage…Are you admitting that the percentages Alliance Pity posters are making may in fact simply be…Made up?

In your opinion. I mean that is about as subjective a thing as you can get…

Gee whiz, I’m surprised you didn’t drag Chris Metzen into it. Y’know, voiced Thrall? Ah, yeah, he actually mained Alliance, so he wouldn’t suit your narrative.

So anyway, What percentage are you claiming now, or are you claiming that all the Blizz Developers have one character, that they talk about or they play, and that is their -only- character? What are you trying to show there?

Holy Moly! There are Blood Elves where you are? I’d contact the police, this is proof of alien life!

But what you are basically saying is that you have no proof for what you are asserting?

You really don’t get how this works, do you. if someone claims something as true, the onus is on them to prove it, not the person asking for proof. That just makes no sense.

You stated these figures, so the onus is on you to prove them. That is how it works, otherwise you have just plucked a figure from nowhere, just like the other ‘Horde Bias’ moaners.

You made the statement, You prove it.

Is what proof you have given so far.

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Top tier troll. You said nothing. I have shown you devs who are heavily into Horde and you are asking for percentages. It would be like me asserting that you are wrong because you didn’t give me an exact % of alliance players crying about Horde. Yet you assumed that it’s " another Alliance pity party" as if that represents majority of players.
Chris Metzen is a minority and there are devs who play Alliance. I can post alliance devs from twitter and you will see them with ally logos. But they aren’t the ones calling the shots.
Metzen has also retired in 2016 and we are talking about current state of the game. If anything vanilla WoW was full of alliance that flopped to Horde belves in TBC.

The onus is true only when an obligation is actually doable. You can make me sign a contract to jump to the moon but it’s not enforcable nor doable.
You asking me to show proof is impossible and you know it. You really subtly and mercilessly grab for numbers and highlight them as be all and all to avoid discussion and make yourself a victim when being slapped ( typical pvp behavior in open world pvp of horde as well btw).

What percentage are you claiming now, or are you claiming that all the Blizz Developers have one character, that they talk about or they play, and that is their -only- character? What are you trying to show there?

Color me surpsied. A behemoth of intellectual discussion can’t figure out that all the important people in dev team calling the shots are playing Horde characters and scream for the horde on top of their lungs.

There is no exact % and it will never be. If you want my rough estimate I’d say more than half, 51%+.

Happy?

Yes, because that sounds about right, actually, I would imagine it is different Devs handling different aspects that causes the problem, hence we end up with people claiming Horde Bias, whilst forgetting Legion, which was -painfully- Alliance-centric, People claiming both factions losing a city is bias, etc etc.

The execution of the lore and plotlines needs addressing, and I think they genuinely -do- need at least one person passionate about the Horde, and passionate about the Alliance, to act as a kind of Miner’s Canary.

“Will the Alliance be happy about the outcome of the Blood War?”
Alliance Dev “Hells no, I’d be spitting chips, Tyrande has the right idea, this plotline makes us look stupid and weak”

“Will the Horde be happy about the outcome of the Blood War?”

Horde Dev "Are you kidding me, we lose -off screen-, wouldn’t be so bad if we actually got to see it, and we lose -another- Warchief? And we could only do it because the Alliance has to get involved -again-! "

Devs, “Hmm, so what you’re saying is that the Alliance will hate some of the story, and the Horde will hate other bits?”

Both H & A Dev “Yes! Absolutely, the story is awful for both factions in different ways!”

I think they could write decent story for both, but sometimes one or the other feels disjointed. As for the Allied Races, I don’t know about that…

Zandalari had a big take up, but none of the others so much. Zandalari are just flat out popular Hordeside, but then, it is all set about their lands.

Mag’har, whilst I think the models look brilliant, are so disjointed in terms of their lore, that it is often hard to get a handle on them (I’m talking mostly from an RP realm perspective), This said, their story is a different one from the MU Orcs, as this time it is the Mag’har who faced oppression and destruction on their homeworld.

High Mountain Tauren. Weak. Basically Tauren who have novelty hatstands on their heads and learned face painting. A lot of background, but just…no real difference to Tauren.

Nightborne. Interesting, unexpected, but once announced, quite a few people went “Well I wasn’t expecting them to go Horde, but fair enough”

Then we saw the models. It is like they mixed and matched the Night Elf and the Nightborne NPC model and went “Now, how can we make it look worse than this?” Awful model.

Vulpera? Meh, really too easy to say. They’re still on a new launch high, and you can’t (unfortunately) ignore those who just made them to make Yiff or uwu or whatever the memes are, characters.

Hopefully in a month or so, these types will have vanished, and we can properly assess how popular they are as an Allied Race. At the moment, its too soon.

Alliance ones however…

I don’t like Lightforged. I’ll explain why, and again, its largely RP based. What are they to normal Draenei? Are normal Draenei suddenly second class citizens? Is a Light Forged X, better than a Draenei X? I mean presumably there are tests to become a Vindicator, what makes a Light Forged better than a Vindicator. I think a better race could have been selected. Krokul seem pretty popular as a choice, not my cup of tea personally, but many seem to like them. It would pretty much need to be something you could grind rep for in Legion, tbh You’re looking at Krokul, or perhaps a good aligned Clan of Drogbar (Not sold on that one)

Void Elves. I can take them or leave them. They actually get a better Blood Elf model, with features Blood Elf fans have been asking for for years. Still, the lore is hasty, but does make a degree of sense, the aesthetics of the race are pretty good, and they do seem to be the most Popular Alliance race right now.

Kul Tirans. I like 'em. I love the lore behind them, how some armour works on them, I love the Zones, especially Drustvar, but also the idea of Druids and Shamans in the Thornspeakers and Tidesages. I think they made them a bit too caricature in terms of their build, but I like the race overall.

Mechagnomes: I really don’t get the hate. Or rather, I kind of do. People never liked Gnomes (Gods know why, they are amazing, most grim backstory ever!) , which meant they could have turned out a masterpiece of an Allied Race and people would still have hated it because ‘Gnomes’. If people thought about what the Race actually is, rather than just some stupid ‘Diaper Gnome’ meme. (Because they’re like, wearing white pants…you know, like they get top models to advertise IRL…What the heck are the female ones wearing, Diaper-Bra’s?

I mean who runs around with their characters in the nude anyway? Also they don’t even look like diapers. If they were black or brown, people wouldn’t be saying that. It’s just childish…

Anyway, the potential with Mecha Gnomes is incredible. Not unlocked them yet, not sure if I will make one, but that is because I like my normal Gnome too much. But you’ve got the whole Terminator/Robocop/Cyberpunk/Steampunk type vibe going on. If they were humans with augmentations I bet you people would play more of them…

So I think the Allied races come down to a matter of taste, some of them on both sides just leave me “Meh” whereas some I really like.

I forgot Dark Iron Dwarves, who are clearly just awesome on toast…

Dude what you don’t understand here is random procs doesn’t equate to impactful DPS.

My 5% Damage Bonus may proc anytime during PvP, if enemy used a defensive cooldown it is for naught or during a boss phase once again it procs randomly whenever I don’t need as an example.

Troll Racial gives you that control over when to do max DPS, those sims are meaningless, the game isn’t a braindead sim. There is no guarantee of usefulness of those random proc DPS racials that is what you struggle to understand and this is why raiding guilds mostly prefer playing Horde :smiley: .

Humans arn’t number 1 as Retribution i call this for horde bias.

It definitely is, there cannot be a better zealot race than Humans.

Exactly i mean how many tarurans are famous for being a paladin? None how many humans are favous for being retribution Paladins. A lot here’s a few. Arthas. Tirion. Darion mograine before his sacrifice. Turallyon. And many more.