So Horde Bias rising again!

But why would they?

I mean lets suppose Arthas is persuaded not to cull Stratholme, that is what is called in such genre the ‘Point of Divergence’ as in where the thing that did happen, doesn’t happen. So. How does this leave the world at that point? Well, some of it will look good, some of it not so good, some of it terrible.

Initially, on Eastern Kingdoms, life would be good, between the surviving human Kingdoms of the East (Apart from Gilneas and Strom, who had already left), and Quel’thalas (who had left the Alliance, but were a friendly neutral nation, plus Gnomes and Goblins, the Scourge such as it was, would have died in its infancy, there would be no Arthas to weld it together into the terrifying instrument of death it became. Could someone else have been chosen as Lich King? yes. Would it have had the same shattering impact on Morale as the Crown Prince of Lordaeron doing so? No.

So lets assume that the Eastern Kingdoms fights a bloody, but ultimately victorious war against the proto Scourge. This will take some time. The Good news is that Quel’thalas is not invaded, Othmar Garithos is just a bitter old racist provincial petty noble with no power, and better minds in Lordaeron command the Alliance (Quite possibly Arthas himself) Therefore no racism to drive a wedge between the Elves and Lordaeron, No invasion means 90% of them didn’t die on a non existant Dead Scar. This means no blood to be honoured in the name of the fallen. As such, the High Elves do not rename themselves Blood Elves, they all remain High Elves under King Anasterian and Crown Prince Kael’thas, Ranger General Sylvanas Windrunner and Ranger Lord Lor’themar Theron. They are Neutral to the Alliance, but generally have their back.

However. In Kalimdor…

The fleeing Orcs make contact with the Darkspear, history rocks on as it did, they then make contact with the Tauren. No changes there.

The Alliance is not in fit state yet to go charging across the Ocean to Kalimdor and build Theramore. Apart from anything else, Jaina actually has a reason to -stay- in the Eastern Kingdoms, as her beloved is no longer a rampaging Zombie King in this timeline.

As such the Proto Horde has some breathing space. Which is good. They’ll need it. The Forsaken would not exist as a species, because the situation behind their creation was unique to Arthas and Sylvanas and their clash. Both are happily alive, and the Scourge eradicated, so no Forsaken.

The Horde have Zero presence, really, on the Eastern Kingdoms, apart from scattered bands, and perhaps the Frostwolves, who would almost certainly be forced to sue for peace. Given that the only ones of the Alliance who wanted them put to death were Strom, Gilneas and Quel’thalas, none of whom are in the Alliance anymore. Even if Jaina -does- harbour any desires to create a working Peace with the Orcs, it is likely to be with these Frostwolves, very probably with Drek’thar.

So then we have a situation where the Alliance de facto controls the Eastern Kingdoms, the Horde has had longer to prepare, and then Contact is made.

The Horde, expanding, come across a savage nation of Elves, who call themselves Kaldorei. Initial conflicts are savage and bloody, only the Tauren have any real knowledge of the Kaldorei, trhough the Cenarion Circle, and there is no Alliance presence on Kalimdor to compare them with. Also there is no Alliance presence in Theramore, the Horde -Can- afford to expand South, and not North, into Kaldorei lands. AFter a very rocky start, relations improve, as after all the Kaldorei and Tauren have very similar belief structures, in fact exactly the same when it comes to Druidry.

The divisions between humanity and elves would not be so great, and Strom and Gilneas in a much better state than in our Timeline. They would likely not rejoin the Alliance of Lordaeron, however with the more similarly minded people of Quel’thalas (in some cases due to oaths spanning millennia). Those three nations would effectively possibly form a Northern Confederacy, a Triumvirate of nations who are neutral, but friendly with the Alliance, yet hostile to the horde.

Things aren’t going so well for Illidan over in Outlands, he doesn’t have Kael’thas and his Sunfury on his side.

By the time Archimonde rocks up at Hyjal, he will likely face three armies, same as he did in our timeline, however these armies would be the Kalimdor Nations (Horde plus Kaldorei Allies) The Alliance of Lordaeron, and the ‘Northern Confederacy’ (Or whatever they would call themselves) of the Kingdoms of Strom, Gilneas and Quel’thalas.

Where history goes from there, is unsure, but it would be a very different world, had Arthas listened to his mentor and his lover…

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Well Tauren might have less control over the light but should have like 3x more strenght than a human. So really Tauren palas need to be buffed.

no humans get enchanted strength from the light brute strength won’t matter if a human paladin have faith that’s how turallyon defeated blackhand.

As do Tauren paladins and since we don’t have any indication that the light would prefer one over the other brute strength would indeed mater. Let me ask you this, what is your primary attribute?

Well humans can get out of stun so they counter tarurans. Plus if i can 1vs1 a taruran druid tank then i’m sure every other human can.

Do we have any Indian devs? Tauren Paladin has no other meaningful explanation, you know cows are sacred for them.

Ironically it depends on usage of language, Cows are indeed sacred in india, however Tauren are not based on India, but the Native American tribes. They frequently had holy warrior societies, and the Sun was particularly revered by many of the Plains Tribes. Given that the very word ‘Paladin’ means ‘Holy Warrior’ then I’d say yeah, they do make sense, especially as like many cultures, they had Holy Warriors before the word Paladin even existed in 1592…

So yeah, they do actually make sense.

But I thought High/Blood Elves captured the whole “For the Sun…” sorta thing, when they said “screw you, Elune.”

That’s literally what the Sun reverence is. It isn’t worship, Blood Elves don’t worship the Sun, it is a symbol, nothing more. It is just sticking the finger to the Kaldorei.

The Tauren on the other hand famously worship the Earth Mother, who had two eyes who loved one another, but could never see one another, named An’she and Mu’sha, because she loved them so and wanted them to be happy, she plucked them both from her eyesocket and hurled them into the sky so that they could be forever. Sadly, An’she, the Sun, and Mu’sha the Moon are destined to forever chase the other through the skies, trying to catch a glimpse of each other. Hence the cycle of Day and Night.

Tauren theology remains silent on the second Moon Azeroth has, the one called the Blue Child…

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You seem to forget that WoD started the “one-way storytelling”, right? It got worse with Legion - but let’s be frank here, the Legion-story is linked to the Draenei at its core. The Alliance are the main characters of the storyline with the most important story string.

Besides, your posting about Turalyion: Blizzard posted a 60min audio drama (let’s make it double for the Pre-Story with Gul’dan) which goes into big detail what he has done the past 1000 years.

Pretty meh racial tbh. I was more amused by their free Inn camp ANYWHERE. Dude. ANYWHERE.
Who the heck cares about one to many bag slots nowadays?

So if alliance is main characters according to you why are you complaining like crazy about horde bias?
That by definition would make it alliance bias.

So why are you here complaining about horde bias if the alliance is the main story?
What you are doing and what you believe do not compute with each other.

You pretty much love to just slam through the hall without reflecting what you actually write, yes?

You can either have an mature discussion about it with me or we just end this here. Flamboyant or not, it is up to you.

Your premise is that alliance is the main faction where do you have that from?
You are the one instigatiing a talk right now.

The one way storytelling you are talking about is on blizzards side right?

I am talking about players and how they think.

You can not be choosing one thing as not mattering when it fits you and then complain when the same or similar thing happens for the other side.

I keep seeing alliance players doing this including you in the past.

And I have seen a bunch of people claim arthas is not alliance person but garrosh is horde even when he has everyone fighting him.
The very person that guy claims is alliance human now other people claim has nothing to do with the alliance and the story of the alliance.
(Yes this also happens with horde players but in this case it was alliance)

This has nothing to do with blizzard but it has everything to do with the players.

I am going to make a custom map where Sylvanas is a Lich King and will demand Dark Ranger Death Knight specialization because that is how I will call her units.

:ok_hand:

People claim Arthas is not Alliance because Arthas caısed Lordaeron to fall and this enabled Undead to claim that place for themselves, he was equally hostile towards both factions but he ended up doing worse things to Alliance side and this gave Horde advantage.

Regarding the Garrosh, he was a racist Horde and raid takes place in Orgrimmar, that is why people say he is Horde.

Our complaints makes sense, Malfurion must be a demi-God but stays in coma upon a Heroic Throw for a year. Tyrande undergoes an ancient forbidden ritual, unable to prevent Valkyries to resurrect Dead Night Elves Sira and the Other one, she also failed to kill Plotarmourthanos despite the ritual.

And the most disturbing thing about faction war… We win Warfronts, both fronts were already in Alliance lands interestingly! but those victories are not represented ingame, I don’t care if Alliance conquers whole universe, if we don’t see them ingame it is meaningless. Blizzard struggle to give Alliance cinematics where they bash Horde… Horde burned Teldrassil, Horde nuked Undercity to uselessness. That didn’t seem like a payback… not at all.

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I agree it’s like a free clear mind thingy that racial’s so op. If human racials were even close to being that op hordies would shout omg this racial’s so broken op pls nerf it blizz.

And i completly agree with you. Why coulen’t we get a scenario where we retook stromgarde where it was with turallyon and we beated and imprisioned lady liadrin and then the horde could maybe get a really hardcore quest to try to break her out and she’ll aggro every npc and Alliance can attack the escorters and if they die even if she’s just almost out she’ll run back to her cell and lock herself in just like how the human in carbot did.

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It is not even a tiny bit op. YOU HAVE A 9MIN COOLDOWN HS 15 if you did not take the trait or are not in a bfa zone.
You then also have dalaran hs and garrison hs.
Clear mind tomes are also extremely cheap to make.

You complain about 4 bag slots you still thing the troll racial is this MAGIC thing that is the reason there are more horde guilds doing the content.
I can not take a single word from your mouth seriously.

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Because people would call it horde bias for getting the quest and some fun story. You see, it doesn’t make a difference. Everything is horde bias. The horde being taken out of the game would somehow still be horde bias by you guys.

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