How would we players know when that is properly balanced?
Players often seem to think stuff is balanced only if they are able to kill or control -insert class here- with no issue.
Not saying this is your mindset, but that’s what it looks like often when people call out these things.
Do this - level a shadow priest, and do some arenas. Play against DK, and tell me how fun it is for you. You can’t make a single mistake or you’re dead - meanwhile, you see your oponents making all kinds of mistakes and winning.
By properly balanced, I mean it should have a CD and not do absurd amounts. Rune of Spellwarding is permanent. AMS has very low CD and provides magic immunity, which means I can’t use anything against DK - that being DOTs, CC or Mass Dispell. The only thing I can use is Mind Blast, which hits for like 2-3K baseline which is not enough to break AMS
Nerf all damage across the board and death strike is automatically ‘‘nerfed’’.
Yeah I can relate. Haven’t touched my SP for some time but fighting DK’s is so pointless with him… 
Yup. I end the arenas with the feeling that I have 0.1% chance of winning against DK due to it being mechanically built to 100% counter me. It doesn’t even matter if I play well
Sadly I have no interest in playing any class except for my hunter, so I can’t test this out.
I do take your word for it.
I also agree, every class should be able to beat a counter class if that class is making lots mistakes.
We can only wait and see what Blizzard might change in the season 4 and Dragonflight for PvP.
Spellwarding is the wrong way of making DKs the anti-caster melee. All in all AMS is fine, if not on the weak side imo; I’ve seen Mages and been the Warlock to kill DK’s through AMS, but I can see why you dislike it so much playing SPriest/Ele.
Spellwarding really is up there as one of the least interesting, yet most impactful abilities in the game and it’s pretty dumb. I’d have no issue with it if you could still weaponswap in combat like you used to back in the day to weapon chain disarms etc and you were expected to actively swap between it and Fallen Crusader but the fact that it’s always on cracks me up.
That is a very dumb statement when my opening sentence is that such healing is indeed extremely stupid, which goes your way.
The difference between our points of views is that you only think it is stupid for your enemy, while I am able to recognize that it is stupid for all 3 of the specs in your screenshot that either beat or compete with a healer in terms of healing while playing DPS. It doesn’t matter that some players involved have healing conduits or legendaries. The healer has them too. No DPS should beat him on healing no matter what their loadout is.
I know defeat stings, but please take a step back, breathe, and then tell me “yes, it is normal that the DPS spec of Priest heals the exact same as the pure healing spec of Priest”. Would you say and think that ? Really ?
He picks talents and honor talents too, right ? Yep, right.
Once more, it is stupid that the DK heals that much, I agree with that and have agreed ever since my initial amswer, but it is equally stupid that Elemental Shaman and Shadow Priest can compete and beat a Holy Priest on healing. Equally stupid.
With what? Death strike barely heals anything. Are those numbers showing absorb as healing too? Then it would make sense. Other than blood DK, other DK specs have barely any healing outsite of some petty death strike that is still garbage even after “buff” and long cooldowns like dark pact.
The reson Holy Priest healed that low, it’s because it barely needed to heal their mate… I mean, I think it’s pretty obvious. No Ele or SP can compete with Holy Priest healing under normal circumstances… Like?!
And I didn’t defend it. I said we needed to resort to stupid gimmicks, like healer Leggos and Conduits, in order to have at least chance of being able to survive in this meta for more than 5 seconds - something we absolutely did not need in the past.
And again, the DK picking two defensive talents barely sacrifices anything. One of their talent choices is their go-to option.
I need to pick a talent which has a 5min CD, which I could very well use into something more useful - but I can’t cuz I’m locked in almost every Talent row and PvP talents as SP
This is an absolutely wild take ngl lol.
It would have been the very same if your Ele Shaman had played with a healer apparently.
Anyways. Point being that :
That is very wrong. UH has insane self healing and Deathstrike heals for a ton. Basically either you are being bursted down and Deathstrike heals for an insane amount, or you take slow ticking damage and the different other healing sources have you covered.
It is rather difficult to kill a DK right now if you don’t play Fury Warrior to both bypass their magic healing and also cut the rest by 40%.
Idk, feels like it varies wildly on what’s hitting into it. Definitely seen it get blown through in a GCD or two.
No, it would not. Use your brain.
If either Ele or SP would be playing with a healer, they would not be using healer Leggos and Conduits.
That priest casted 4 serenenties and 4 renews. He didn’t need more cuz the close to 500K healing the DK had, with two talent picks, was more than enough.
Not every spec can output that kind of damage in a global or two. I mean, you’re posting from a priest. Are you able to easily blow through AMS as SP, save for very situational occasions like being in Void Form and having the luck of insta Blasts proccing multiple times?
No, of course not. I’ve already said that it varies depending on what’s hitting into it. I even specified things like Mages and Warlocks above. I’ve even seen high roll TV’s blow it up. = p
I said in my initial post that I understand why you dislike it based on playing SP/Ele.
You need to relax with the aggressive messages when you yourself didn’t do things correctly.
One could say “use your brain, you know DKs have insane magic healing, don’t waste time into it, kill the Priest”. Setups aren’t hard. Horror DK Silence Priest, Hex DK on it then Lasso off Silence, that is a very decent way to force defensives until you land a kill, and you do not have to deal with any of the DK healing. SPs have been known for being healer killers in this expansion. But that isn’t the point is it ?
The point is that the healing of the DK, but also the Elemental Shaman and the Shadow Priest in this game are all beyond stupid.
i watched whazz play with boomy dh rshaman against dk outlaw holypriest and after like 10 mins game the dk was top healer a few hundred thousands above the priest. The spec is incredible tanky against magic dmg. Good dks are almost unkillable against casters.
DK immunes Horror with AMS. And even if any stun enters, DK has trinket, or fortitude which nullifies any stun. And if Ele lasso’s the DK, it’s not lassoing the healer. If the Ele lassos the healer, the DK will then interrupt. On top of that, the DK won’t let you do all at will with grip and stun, and abomination limb at fight start. And we’re talking about a DK playing with a broken healer, btw, who can insta serenity back to full + greater fade + guardian and whatnot. Things are not that literal and simple as you’re trying to make it.
And yes, please take away SP healing. I mean, we can barely do anything on our own damage wise, so what difference would make it to remove what remains of our survability, right? I mean, SP is basically the only spec in the game without a proper snare, without gap openers and so on.
SP job is just to support and cross CC. Being a DPS is an afterthought apparently
By what? Pre-nerf Destro Warlock, Necro Demo Lock, an Ele Shaman with insane RNG and a Fire Mage in dampening maybe.
When AMS is extremely effective against more casters than it isn’t, then it can not be called ‘weak’ in the slightest and that’s not even considering Spell Eater. It really isn’t a debate. AMS is faaaaar from weak, and a couple of very specific exceptions do not change the general rule.
It’s just one of those things you have to accept. UH DK’s are obnoxiously broken against casters and every caster matchup should be a free win for them. SP’s need to stop acting like Shadow is this gutter tier spec though, it’s far from it.