I know right? Its back to 2001… I feel old !
i was fighting the os wars even in 90’s 
No, PC’s do not have access to Apple’s frameworks, and it doesn’t handle colour profiles as well, which is why pretty much the entire video and music industry moved to macintoshes.
You can install Darwin on a PC and you can start installing macOS on top of it, but it really isn’t a pretty sight. I used to do these Hackintoshes. That was fun, but I honestly don’t want OS X on a PC any more. If anything I want Linux on my Mac - though I still want macOS.
The hardware is physically incapable of some of the things macs do while in sleep mode and most of them are much less secure. Why? Because it’s literally a blown up iPhone, so it does all the things a phone does, hardware wise. Except for the actual phone antenna, but other than that…
Further, no PC has an integrated GPU more powerful than the M3 Max, which means that a Mac has the highest amount of GPU memory available to regular consumers (i.e. you don’t have to buy an NVIDIA AI card 
)
Then there’s the file system stuff. Searching on Windows is awful, and it can’t do incremental snapshots, and even its incremental backup is very bad. Linux can solve this for you, but I haven’t found any way to solve it on Windows. This is a bit annoying when your code base has 20 million LoC and you’re trying to find a function that calls the one you’re looking at, by the way 
Saving energy → saving computations → saving time → saving money
I don’t know your boss so I can’t tell him, but… if he thinks software optimisation and performance is irrelevant I’d challenge him to see what happens when really nobody cares. xD
In fact, finite element methods are an optimisation themselves. There are plenty of other ways to solve PDE’s, but FEM’s are generally much faster.
Imagine if, instead of taking 30 minutes, it would take 30*30*30 minutes, aka 1½ years. Because that’s the actual alternative.
Fair enough /hug
I’ve probably fallen for some of those, but I am definitely sure I didn’t buy a Mac because it was more expensive. I spent weeks arguing with myself that it was too expensive, but in the end I went for it because there simply wasn’t anything as good. I refer back to the Dell from earlier.
The Razer Blade nearly reaches it, but it uses much more power, its construction is flimsy, and the battery life is much lower. The CoPilot+ PC’s were another contender, but even less software run on them than the macs, and their drivers are super buggy, especially graphics.
When Macs were trash tier junk back in 1998-2009 with their PowerPC architecture and 2015-2020 with their butterfly keyboards and overheating I did not buy Macintoshes.
Instead I had one from 2011 and it just had to survive for a very, very long time.
Well, technically it costs about half since I run two operating systems on one computer, and you probably have a laptop and desktop too, so it’s a wash.
Though the computers you have may be cheaper than mine.
Windows XP is the best!!
Anyway I jest, maintaining the different games is probably harder for Blizzard now Apple have stopped using x86.
Perhaps it’s time Blizzard finally embraced Linux support though, many people are moving away from traditional desktop computing, and WoW on steam deck might be attract new players.
From a consumer electronics point of view (which is 100% of regular people + 90% of the professional market) its irrelevant.
I work for a company that makes industrial water pumps. They work really well if you need 1000 m3/s of water at 20 bars.
But my company will not pretend to sell that to my grandma to supply its garden sprinklers.
Right. So next time my 69 year old mother asks me for advice on what computer to buy I will tell her that.
Im sure she will appreciate all the extra work and effort.
Its not that nobody cares. Its that WE don’t care. We outsource the computation. Its that companie’s problem.
We also invest in R&D. But on our hydraulic machines. Not on computation algorithms.
My boss would call you an idiot for suggesting that, because in order to design a new flow-control valve you don’t have to re-invent matrix computation from the ground up starting from mathematical axioms and coding in binary to do it.
Depends on the problem. And the level of detail you need. If you begin with the Navier Strokes equation, PDE’s are usually more precise for the applications I use them in.
No it isent. The alternative is to search for other computation suppliers with better computer algorithms. Or to do it old school with pen and paper with analytical approximations. Like they used to do in the 60s.
I have 1 laptop. And 1 desktop that I access remotely with 36 cores and 128 GB of Ram. And a crummy graphics card.
With windows.
Why ? Because its orders of magnitude easier to configure 2 systems that share the same OS. Even windows 10 has its own “team-viewer” application built in. It not the most amazing one there is, but its free and it works.
And as for security… well… people can hack me if they want. They can steal 77 PB of data if they wanna. Its just tables of numbers.
If they actually manage to do something useful with that data they might get hired and promoted at my company.
To be honest ever since windows 10 I get this vibe that Microsoft have changed things because they want it to look like something is different.
Granted copilot and other AI stuff is new (Although nothing really stops them from making a port of this for Windows 10, or indeed Windows 7 if the mood took them, indeed when Windows 98 came out, they released a USB patch to make USB work for users of Windows 95 in a similar way to what it did in 98).
But in reality, most people turn on their PC, check their emails, and then open a browser, or a game, and don’t really care, hence MS has been able to make minor changes for years and people think it’s amazing.
As for the topic at hand, Blizzard’s games are developed with Directx12 and x86 in mind, this makes it harder to support mac with new products, now they’ve left this architecture.
I agree.
I dont like that Programs are now called “Aps” and companies work so hard to make my computer look like a mobile phone.
Its starting to be annoying.
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I make financial services software, like for banks. And although almost every Danish person uses it without knowing, I wouldn’t try to sell it to them. (It keeps track of their transactions and loans and credit and investments and taxes and makes them part of portfolios so funds can invest in them and bla bla bla. It’s huge, trust me)
So I know what you mean, but some things are just useful no matter how big or small the use case is.
Many applications are written to use those frameworks and they won’t work on Windows. You just don’t know about them because you don’t use them.
Here’s the thing about Final Cut Pro for example - it’s probably the best video editing software around, and it’s actually not that expensive given its capabilities, but that’s not what really gets people. What really gets them is this:
- Fastest rendering speed due to hardware acceleration that PC’s just don’t have
- 1600 nit displays
- Dozens of reference modes to make sure it looks correct on a variety of screens and in theaters
A PC is physically unable to do this - and if you find one that can (somehow, because Windows doesn’t support it and neither does Linux), it’s at least as expensive as the mac.
So why does a consumer care? Because your movies and games and photos look amazing. You won’t care about it as much, but it’s certainly not a bad thing to have.
What you tell her is that when you delete a file on those operating systems they can actually go to this giant clock looking thing and search for the file, and it will almost certainly show up. All she needs to know is when she saved it or its name or some of its contents or where she put it. Any of those things are enough.
And when they’re gone from the PC, they continue to sit on a network drive for years and years after that.
That is very useful, even for 69 year old mom!
Right, but you do care because the people who solve the equations for you have to make it fast or you leave for some other provider. You just don’t actively spend R&D money on that specifically - you rely on someone else to have done it.
Would your boss switch to another provider if someone could calculate it in 5 minutes instead of 30 and at 1/5th the cost? I imagine so.
Which is why people should care about optimisation.
Right, because I didn’t know what his business was about. But he still cares - he just doesn’t care about solving it himself.
They released it for macOS, too. They call it “The Windows App” which is… weird. But… yeah. I don’t really use it, but it’s a thing!
macOS also has RDP software with other macs but whatever.
Seriously? I never heard this? I actually didn’t mind that game when it first came out but I’d like to have another look if i can play it on Mac finally.
Yes! This seems to have come from the misguided belief in Windows 8 that mobile phones and computers should share an interface.
Ironically apple did this better by allowing OSX and iOS to look different, but the phone software can run on the desktop.
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gaming companies make decisions on number of players using that product and i dont think there are too many people who use a mac to access wow .so if they completely dump mac support .its understandable .the resources could be spend in other places that need it .
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But who cares? People cannot distinguish between 720 or 1080 on you-tube.
All people see is that if Youtube puts 4k resolution by default it takes long to upload and they get frustrated and look at some other video. They cant even see the difference.
What people want is to log in to netflix, click on the series they want and watch it. And they wont notice the difference.
YOU do though. But as I said. You are orders of magnitude beyond what normal people know, or care about. And that is where they put their money… because better options than a PC are everywhere. But people still buy PCs cause you buy it, you turn it on, put the wifi password and watch Netflix. In 10 minutes.
My 69 year old mom is not in the mood to tinker with computers or care about new things.
She just wants her same old computer to Skype with the grandchildren. Literally that.
Sure. People should care. I never said they should not.
Just not me.
Can I build my own mac desktop computer? With 32 cores? And will it be cheaper than a PC?
I find this ridiculous. A phone is a phone. And a computer is a computer.
One is for calling people and making dump pictures. The other is to watch movies and play games.
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Apple basically did the opposite of Microsoft, and for good reason.
They developed a bunch of kernel and framework technology for the iPhone, said to themselves “wow, that’s really useful”, and then crucially also said “If I give my laptop a touch screen I can’t use it because my arm wants to fall off” and kept the macOS GUI principles, and therefore we ended up with a machine that’s as good at power managing as a phone or has always-on displays while at the same time still has a good GUI.
At least Windows recovered!
It is ridiculous, but if you remember the “modern” ui from windows 8 the reasoning was obvious.
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Wow, your lack of knowledge is incredible. I bet you actually believe everything you wrote there. You’ve literally not read any of the replies in this entire thread and just spouted your verbal garbage based on information that is years old now.
You don’t like Mac’s, I get it. But you should seriously stop just trying to show your contempt for them unless you can actually get your facts right. Just look at the other replies you got to those comments.
BTW, it’s spelt “Necessary”
Well… I don’t know about that. People go to the theaters for a high quality video experience! And when I watched GoT’s final battle in the dark thingy in S8, I literally couldn’t tell what was happening because the video quality was so atrocious. Everything was just this blocky gray blob. When I got the BluRay it was no problem!
But it was also a crappy episode to be fair, but still!
That’s the best part! No tinkering required. It just works.
HOWEVER, she’d have to learn the macOS or KDE or GNOME interface. So… yeah.
No, but you can buy something like that laptop that is a Mac and then connect to that 32 core desktop xD
PC’s are better for some things, macs are better for some things.
Although you could get a 24 core Mac on your desk so that’s… irrelevant, really. xD
Honestly I’d really like a PC the size of the “mac studio” without all the RGB crap that comes with a typical 4080 gaming pc.
If Apple made a studio that had standard displayport and other IO, it’d be a winner.
Sadly a lot of applications I use are Windows only, though I’m slowly migrating to Linux alternatives.
The mac studio IO is 6 thunderbolt - all you need to go to DP from them is a €15 dongle - 10GBit ethernet, 2 USB-A, 1 HDMI, and an SDXC card reader.
Thunderbolt ports are just USB-C ports btw, but they’re way faster and can carry display signals, too. PC’s have them, just not as many.
All completely standard.
The days of Apple’s weird proprietary AppleTalk and trash like that are over.
OK.
You cannot claim my lack of knowledge and leave. Educate me and explain to me: If Macs are the best option out there quality, flexibility, options for money, WHY are they not the dominant retailer then?
And why do so many programs simply not work in Mac and require a virtual machine ?
Like… soon to be… World of Warcraft ?
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Why they don’t make hybrid motherboards? ARM cpus and ‘side processing unit’ being x86 on a motherboard(like integrated vga)? That should cover banks and things like that while rest of us can to transition fully to ARM.