So this is the guy that spoke first about the scandal

Age should be removed for this reason: Young people have a hard time finding jobs due to lack of experience. Then Old people have a hard time finding jobs because they are close to their “Pension” age. You could be a perfectly capable worker have lots of experience and get denied because you could possibly go on pension in 3 years. Age isn’t relevant . Experience is , education to. Eather way age can work for or against you and doesn’t change anything to how qualified you are at the job. Only a lot later in the process should the age be relevant . Age doesn’t affect the quality of the execution of a function. It only affects the length of the contract and future cooperation. Experience affects pay which is relevant but age doesn’t. So yes there are people who got declined because of age. Ideally you’d have experienced people teaching/helping inexperienced people the tricks of the trade.

This is incredibly relevant. If I were to start up a new project that can take years to develop, I do not want people who are pretty much guaranteed to dip out halfway through the development so I end up having to get new folks in, delaying it by a great deal. May as well get those in from the start then.

It’s really not. You gonna say the same reason about gender because of pregnancy could arise and a leave as well, I bet?

You don’t need to know age to do that. You simply state on your advertising for your project “this positions requires a minimum investment of X years.” And you screen people as to this during interview as well. You make it part of contractual agreement so if they decide to retire anyway and quit in spite of their contract you can hold them account.

Either way it’s perfectly plausible to discern peoples motivations for doing so without conflating it with their age. Younger people could easily just “up sticks” and leave as well- you don’t know. Maybe they have a sudden family crisis that requires them to start caring for their spouse or parents.

I do understand that older candidates present a risk of retirement but this is why you make it clear what the position demands, so you can avoid the issue without discriminating against them on the basis of age, but unless their age is a requirement to the project (it isn’t, the requirement is the period of commitment as you’ve stated it, which isn’t necessarily related to age) for you to reject a candidate on the basis of their age without first discerning whether they would be able to work for you for the period you require, would be setting you up for an employment discrimination lawsuit when you could have easily avoided it.

If the candidate has told you “yeah I plan to retire in 3 years” then sure thing. You can reject them on that basis as you need (say) 5 years. If however you simply see their age and assume “they’ll probably quit because of their age” without confirming this then you’re discriminating against them.
It would be the same as me advertising a position that requires a wealth of experience you usually acquire over say 10 years or more, and I reject a candidate on the basis they’re 22 without actually finding out more about that experience, because I assume they can’t possibly have it being only 22. Given an applicant is always within their right to enquire as to the reason for their rejection, it is sensible to ensure the reason you give is fact, rather than me going “oh you need this experience…” when I haven’t actually checked, I’ve just assumed. Because even if they don’t have it, the fact I assumed it based upon their age would set me up for a suit irrespective.

Like the other guy said. You can have a contract that is set up to be atleast 5 years or however long you need it to be . Young people are sometimes still figuring out what they want to do , so can change their mind and quit cause it’s to boring or they don’t like it. Or they expected better hours or higher pay . Old people have risk of retirement . Age is irrelevant. Experience is relevant. The fact remains that if I’m 18, 30 or 60 it won’t change the performance . All 3 ages could have the same experience/performance. Experience, educational degree ,where you got your degree(School/universities) matters and medical background, Psych evaluation, criminal history are relevant to some degree (example Military,FBI,Lawenforcement)

Dangerously based.

It is a tricky one.

I am not at all calling Mr Shreier’s personal integrity into question.
I do however call his employer’s integrity into question. Bloomberg are not known for people even handed, and will chase the money (Of course they will, they’re a business, not a charity). Unfortunately sometimes they get a little greedy, as is the example of one of their executives, who was just sentenced to actual jail time in January 2021 for accepting millions of dollars of bribes.
They are kind of known as the sort of media source that you can throw money at if you want the dirty done on a rival.

They also need to pay attention to the aphorism about 'People in glass houses (Or city towers) throwing stones.

Their corporate history is pretty depressing reading. Their diversity is not great, whether talking about ethnicity or male/female ratio. They have had to rebrand a few times to escape bad publicity. Anyone remember Saloman Brothers a while back? Probably not. Which means the rebranding worked. They had a reputation for being a very ‘Alpha Male’ environment, the ‘King of Wall Street’ and for being the ‘Big Swinging (Male organ) of New York’.

Frankly they make Blizzard’s antics, grave though they are, look like a boy child pulling a girl child’s pigtails on a school playground.

Now this doesn’t excuse the atrocious goings on that are now being exposed happening at Blizzard. But it -is- a little dishonest to present an article decrying other’s attitudes when not only a) are said attitudes still prevalent in your own company, and b) you work for a company that is well known in the industry for being a ‘hatchet man’ if you want a company besmirching.

I actually know a guy, used to live in the Midlands, is now a naturalised New Yorker, who works with a company who has a lot of dealings with Bloomberg, and has been to their HQ. He described it as ‘surreal’ and like ‘Picture the film ‘Animal House’ but then put everyone in suits’

So whilst Mr Shreier himself may be a paragon of journalistic integrity, the company he represents most certainly are not.

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Uguu agaaa white male bad

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That is correct, if I was owner of a company I’d prefer workers who don’t disappear for 9 months and still get payed. Best par being they can do it multiple times.

I have worker like that in company I work for, she’s been in company for 7 years, from which 45 months were spent in maternity leave as she has 5 kids :smiley:

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What is next, construction workers are too macho and does not represent enough females? I am a software project manager and the industry is not rigged against females. It is just less females become hardcore developers. A lot of the female developers I worked with will work on design but when it comes to C, C++ and Java, 90% of the developers I work with are male. I am not a big fan of Blizzard but this whole scandal reeks of sensationalism. Imagine you work for a small Engineering company with 90% of you being female, then obviously the atmosphere will be more feminine. So to walk into Blizzard’s dev team office and finding it to look like a man cave as they are mostly men, should be no surprise!

I have seen so many woman who were engineers or accountants or solicitors get pregnant and go on maternity leave, only to come back for about 3 months and then to resign as the baby now takes priority in their life. You can imagine from a company’s perspective how much they have lost investing into that person. Should they discriminate against females who wants a career and a family? No, they should find middle ground somewhere where companies allow people to have a family and a personal life. Too many companies push you to commit to a 60 - 80 hour work week. Yes, you make good money but you do not have a life!? You would think that with all the know how and technology we would work smarter and not more? Trouble is it is all about greed. With the top 5% getting all the benefits.

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I mean, just remove maternity leave. instead of promoting it and making it a payed feature.
if you get pregnant you leave work tadam.

you get payed for doing work, if you dont do work you dont get payed, pretty simple.

my personal opinion ofc

So much this.
If I were an employer I’d take competence/skill/talent over race/gender/sexuality.
I really don’t know why suddenly sexuality began to matter so much.
To be quite honest, I wouldn’t accept anyone who’d come to a job interview and say “Hi, I’m gay” or “Hey, I’m black, I want special privileges!”
You’re not here to tell me about your sexuality and personal life, you’re here to get a job done.

World flipped upside down big time, it’s only a matter of time before everyone gets fed-up with this :poop: as it’s running out of hand.
Hypersensitivity, everyone able to sue/report everyone, social media taking justice in hands instead of actual court, ‘equality’ is going insane and ‘racism’ is actually only present towards white people now…as apparently it’s OK to insult white men (I’m looking at particular Blizzard employer who did not get fired over racist, horrid tweets towards white men).

Why can’t people just be NORMAL? And act like normal human beigns? D:

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Yes, I’m sure the 18 or 30 year old can add “30 years of experience” on their resume the same way the 60 year old soon to be retiree can.

Don’t fool yourself. Someone 18 years old literally can not have experience and without their age being known, they’d never, ever get hired.

It’s funny, to be honest. People complain about wanting to see diversity, so some companies do diversity hiring regardless of merit. Those hired for the sake of diversity underperform, thus word spreads that those specific people aren’t performing well. Hence, people get more skeptical about hiring said … type? of person.

People asking for diversity hiring are literally making things worse for both parties.

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