So i will have to farm all the items i have allready?
No thanks.
i also want the valor for all the dungeons i ran so far.
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If it has correct secondaries but is ilvl 207, absolutely itâs worth upgrading. Especially if it rolls a tertiary stat or socket.
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Thatâs what extended maintenance and db backups are forâŚ
- backup
- apply patch
- automated comparison of old and new databases; they should have the same number of records (this is a trivial task, just to be clear)
- if broken, rollback
âŚbut youâd hope a multi gazillion dollah company like Blizz wouldnât need step 4 
If the corruption was a simple matter of a foreign key mapped to some corruption table with no additional strings attached then there wouldnât be any issues to begin with. But thatâs clearly not the case.
They very clearly have some dynamic or virtual data structure attached to the items, and the items that had corruptions cleansed before the patch permanently lost their corruption structure. With the mentioned patch only some of the values contained in the structure got deleted, and thus re-corruption was possible for items cleansed after the change.
If they canât easily re-add a structure to an existing that had said structure previously then they very likely canât add an entirely new structure to existing items either. Itâs all obviously speculation, but so are your arguments as well, because we both are talking about a black box that has 15 years of legacy code and data attached to it.
Yea that would seem much more arduous than having to re-farm all my BiS items indeed. Like itâs not enough that I have not gotten Valor points for the several dozen dungeons I have done, the gear dropped from them will also be objectively worse than anything Iâll get post patch.
Thank you for further cementing my plans to just not bother with the betas that are expansion launches anymore.
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What likely happened with re-corrupting cleansed items is that cleanse did not actually remove the corruptions and just slapped the âthis item has been cleansed, ignore whatever corruption data it hasâ augment, and when they went to re-corrupt the item, they couldnât simply add corruption augments because old ones were still there (and they might have conflicted, coincided, produced double of an effect, you name it, with new incoming corruptions). And the solution was to cleanse what was already cleansed more thoroughly.
I initially misremembered what the change did, I though this was the case of restoring previously cleansed corruptions, but it was simpler - applying new corruptions to a cleansed item. So I think the above is mostly what happened.
In general, the structures we are talking about here are always damn simple. This is by design, because if you make them complex, you cannot hit the performance numbers required. That, and you donât really need to make them complex, worst case you just put some data into a string that stores all types of tagged data.
There can be no technical issues here. Just none. For real. I mean, I would have to concoct such an abomination to produce technical issues of any difficulty, that even 15 years of history (which had plenty of rewrites for all parts of the system, guaranteed) wonât be enough.
So⌠basically people here donât want to play anymore M+. Am I correct? Why do you need gear if you donât want to do M+ xD
Blizzard: "So this is how weâll fix the problem we caused:
You need to do achievements on each character, itâs not account wide.
You are not allowed to upgrade your current BiS gear, go fight RNG again.
We are not increasing loot drop rates.
Weâre not giving you any VP for the months you spent in a broken gearing cycle.
Pretty spot on my thoughts.
I usually hate the âI want my invested time backâ crowd but considering how absolutely horribly beta-state this expansion was when it came out (to be clear: I love the underlying foundation of Shadowlands. Love the dungeon design, the humor, the relative alt-friendlyness, being able to ignore content I donât like doingâŚ) I just feel like not renewing my sub now. I got a couple of items in my bags and slots that I was really excited to upgrade. It was a bitter pill to think that Iâd need to farm the Valor from scratch where PvPers have been farming and spending their currency immensely efficiently on easy BiS high item level gear for MONTHS but screw it, it seemed fine.
Now I have to RE-FARM all the items that I spent so much time gathering in an utterly broken system?
F U right back, whoever is in charge of these decisions.
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That iâm not sure. I mean, i already see people turbospamming low keys just to get the right roll next big patch and keep it until the end of time by upgrading.
Iâm not sure the fun police will allow it.
I wanna play the way I want to, not Farm exclusively DoS+15 in hopes of getting the Trinket that I spent exactly doing that for 2 weeks straight.
The way Blizzard designed M+, there is little reward to doing it outside of
- The thrill of timer hunting (if youâre into that - many are rather driven away by it)
- The vault (once a week)
- A 20-40% chance for a single item
With this patch, we get Valor on top of it. A currency that is only as good as the items you can upgrade them with. You think Iâm getting excited about having to play the damn slot machine all over again?
I love doing dungeons. I do them for fun all the time. But Iâm also a bit OCD and when I feel like there is something with purpose I should do rather than just enjoying wasting time, then I feel compelled to do that instead. I got past that through a lot of time investment and am really enjoying my freedom now just for Blizzard to step in and go âlol do it all over againâ.
You obviously lack the intelligence to properly assert other peopleâs states of mind or motivations and your oversimplified jabs at other peopleâs quarrels make you look like a fool.
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They literally donât; we had it confirmed further up the thread that only items that drop after 9.0.5 release will be upgradeable.
Which utterly sucks.
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No i mean upgrading stuff with socket and third stats without losing them.
It sound too good to be blizz style.
Oh please. Itâs to get people to farm the same content theyâve already done over again. Youâve been doing this since Legion. Some examples: Paragon Chests, Island Expeditions, Corrupted items.
There is no technical reason.
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We do want to do M+. But many people have already been through specific dungeon grinds to pick up a 210 weapon/trinket to be their baseline while they wait for a lucky vault day. With the current drop rate, it can be just a 2-5% chance in any given dungeon.
And Blizz want to throw that away and tell people to farm their best stats again if they want to be part of the new valor system.
Not ok.
Worked with Benthics in 8.2. I spent so many pearls getting a pair of gloves with a socket and leech on them, but I used those gloves right through until 8.3.
But if people are dungeon spamming now then we should tell them to stop and point them to this thread. Theyâre wasting their time.
Better off taking a break and saving your energy for turbo week when 9.0.5 launches.
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This is another big one. Doing dungeons for anything but the vault is even less rewarding now. In fact Iâd absolutely dread to get a BiS item to drop between now and this patch. Like that one item that never drops but then one day before items become upgradable it drops and then never again. How is Blizzard just so massively greedy and stupid? Because letâs face it, there are no technical limitations. What a load of horsesh*t. These items are already flagged in the player UI as âMythic 8â or whatever so just enable every item with such a flag for upgrades. If you tell me that is an elemental problem with Blizzards code then I feel like the devs must be massively incompetent.
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Thank you sir for polite explanation And pardon me my exaggeration. I think I am burnt out of chasing the carrot I forgot that feeling. Now Iâm just playing content I like without hopes for being BiS someday.
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I also remembered one thing. Back in MoP, they introduced GEAR UPGRADES, and they absolutely worked on every item, retroactively⌠imagine having to refarm raid drops back then, just for them to be eligible for upgrade. But i guess the game was in a much better state, so they didnt have to pull off stunts like this.
What a load of horsecrap⌠they didnt even bother with the PR to sell this to us
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You cant get sockets on the rest no matter what
Yea, the technical limitations is a load of horsecrap. I couldnât think of a system convoluted enough to stop them from flagging them for eligibility to be scaled up at an NPC.
If item name/ID is in table of items that can drop from dungeons and ilvl >184 (no M0 upgrades) then set flag valorupgradeable=true.
Run that through the database of items players possess. How in gods name would that not work? The items are definitely scaleable already (Timewalking), so they only need to be flagged eligible for the valor NPC.
âtechnical limitationsâ just means that their horsesh*t player retention metrics say it is a bad idea.
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A Best In Slot item is the best item WITH the highest ilvl. You cannot upgrade a BiS item because itâs already the best it can be. If you got a 213 item then itâs not BiS. It might be the best type of trinket etc. but unless itâs also the highest possible ilvl itâs not BiS 