Fury absolutely needs to be buffed and anyone thinking otherwise is either delusional or hates warriors for whatever reason. Feel free to check my logs if that matters to you for some reason.
Feral was about as good as warriors but with a ton of utility on top, and they still got buffed hard. I’m happy for them, but there is no reason to not touch warriors at this point. Yeah, ok, we’ll be like the 5th best dps in the game equipped with a legendary when the game is over. Cool. Shame about every other warrior that doesn’t get shadowmourne since they’ll remain garbage tier.
I don’t even care if arms remains even worse than garbage, just give me one good spec and I’ll be happy. Give people one single reason to play this class at all.
This is the most childish take you could possibly have and it’s telling how common it is in the WoW community.
I did not raid in vanilla classic. At all. Do I still ‘deserve’ to perform like absolute trash because the class I like happened to be good 3 years ago?
I think all specs should get some kind of unique utility that everyone wants. Of course, with current raid size that means some utility effects will not get into a raid, but as long as they are more or less equally wanted the “take the player, not the class” should still hold up.
I’d gladly give up my damage for something as desired as Curse of Recklessness was in Classic.
T10 once fully geared would put Warrior in the same place on the DPS rankings that Feral sits today in Ulduar with the buff. Feral already had better single target and AOE than Fury before they were buffed, while Fury had better cleave, and Feral was also going to scale well in T10.
This is why Fury Warriors are rightly upset, Feral and Fury were on the same path but Feral is now positioned where Fury will be positioned at the end of the expansion, with a Legendary. Without a Legendary Fury is still going to be pretty mediocre until very late, they will not likely reach the heights they originally did.
Hellscream’s raid buff = 30% damage, Shadowmourne, Full ilvl277 gear… This is why Fury was good, we have no indication if WOTLK Classic will even last long enough for the 30% Hellscream buff to ever be put in place, and if it does Fury will still not be as high as Feral on dps, in the original WOTLK Fury with Shadowmourne was higher than Feral by that point.
We have data from 2010 and we have sim projections. None of this is 100% accurate, but as a ballpark prediction it is pretty good. I also mained Fury Warrior since 2007, I had Shadowmourne in the original WOTLK and was a regular top parser on WWS logs during those times, and if you check Elitist Jerks posts from that Era you will also find my name.
The top dps in ICC are going to be Warlocks, Rogues, UH DK’s and Fire Mages, Fire Mages later on will surpass all, due to excessive scaling with crit and a toolkit that works well in all combat styles. If they get munching fixed, this will also buff Fire even further.
Then you have Ferals, originally in ICC they were pretty close to Warriors on ST, much better on AOE and much worse on cleave. As a result due to ICC raid design Warrior cleave pulled them ahead on the rankings compared to Ferals… However, Ferals have now recieved a MASSIVE dps buff that will scale further, this will make them much stronger on ST and AOE, still behind on cleave.
Warrior was going to be a top 5 spec in ICC with Shadowmourne, Feral is now a top 5 spec already (top 3 on many bosses in Ulduar, Vezax skews results towards casters, but Feral is clearly the best melee on Vezax too).
We had that in TBC and it wasn’t as fun as it sounds, you had to build your raid and guild arounds certain comps and then when players quit, you constantly needed to fill those roles. My guild had to recruit 2 different Ret palas and 3 Enhancement shamans because of people leaving.
Buff wise, honestly I’d just be happy with retaining more rage when stance dancing and having shattering throw’s cast time removed. Although the latter would be a raidwide buff rather than just a warrior one.
Waybacktime machine, old articles, youtube videos etc. But by example go watch Paragon kill LK HC25 with 0% buff.
Top dps goes like this
Rogue
DK
Warlock
Ret
DK
Rogue
Druid
Ret
Warlock
Warrior
That’s right, in the best guild in the world vs pre-nerf ICC the Warrior came 10th on damage. Later on Fire and Fury does catch up and Fire will likely be the best dps in the game while Warlock will fall off a little, but this myth that Fury becomes godly the moment it walks through the ICC doors is simply that, a myth.
Shadowmourne is rather a requirement, the Hellscream raid buff (ICC nerf) also plays a large role.
Ok but honestly and then??? Who cares of the position on the chart, especially when anything could have happened like the warrior dying mid fight and getting ressed later or being gripped by the val’kir all the times.
But that isn’t what happened? The Warrior doesn’t break into the top 10 until phase 2 transition, which is pure 2-3 target cleave.
Give me something to work with that shows the contrary to what I am saying above? You’ve claimed that Warriors get their buff in T10, but everything points towards that putting Warriors roughly where Ferals are today, top 5 with a legendary.
Feral buff was wrong, because they scale just like Warriors.
If that was true, why have Ret and Feral been buffed? We can see videos of Feral and Ret in ICC doing competitive dps, on progression putting them ahead of Warriors who have been left behind.
Don’t play obtuse on the overall ramifications of class balance, or lack thereof, nor the implications of changing class balance in a re-release of a 15 year old game.
The amount of DPS that your raid brings determines how much you struggle with the encounter.
Furthermore, if the damage you deal really doesn’t matter then I petition to have the feral and ret buffs reverted. Those classes already brought more utility than warriors so their damage was irrelevant anyway.
It’s actually worse asking for buff no matter the class, when every one that is capable of parsing blue is already metting the dps requirements for any encounter.
And this come from a MM hunter main, with alchemy and herb.