So when we can expect a fix to M+ content?

[Эксплорейшн-howling-fjord]

@Uda-uldum

So what ? The alternative we have now is literally RNG.

No reason to add option that makes all other options irrelevant.

@Uda-uldum

But other people actually will try M+ regardless. And those people are currently unsubed !

No logic in this statement, you don’t need to have mythic gear to try any endgame content. If people like M+, even current gear progression won’t stop them from pushing it above +10. M+ also is the “go-to” option in terms of farming most of your Hero gear excluding some BiS trinkets.

@Uda-uldum

You need 8 +10 keys to upgrade 1 item from Hero to Myth. DONE.

So people just complete 8+ keys and completely forget about M+?

@Uda-uldum

Everyone else, practically NEVER.

1st 4 bosses can be killed with pugs. More weeks into season = more pug groups. You don’t need guild or specific schedule for this.

@Uda-uldum

Does this seem fair to you ?

It’s fine for me.

@Uda-uldum

Which is ~ 1.5 months longer than a Mythic Raider would.

Mythic Raider from Hall of Fame guild team*

@Uda-uldum

And even with a fully deterministic system, its still 3.5 months of time to get fully geared in Myth.

It will be 8-9 weeks with existing crafting system.

@Uda-uldum

We are talking about raid specific items. If you raid Mythic you had a guaranteed drop. If you could not, then you needed to farm heroic for 15/16 weeks.

Most people won’t see this guaranteed drop. Hall of Fame only took around 8-10 weeks to be filled.

@Uda-uldum

Everyone else did not. Some people that did not raid took 1/2 MONTHS to get their 4 set !

What are you even talking about?
Almost everyone got their set at 3rd week. You have 2 catalyst charges and you have token for 2k rating / Heroic Queen (and these options are very flexible because you can choose missing slot).

All you need is one token from any raid difficulty (LFR / Normal / Heroic) or from vault and you have your set.

@Uda-uldum

And the experience of pugging the heroic raid on week 1 of the season is absolutely NOT even close to the experience of pugging a +7 to get your Hero Trinket. NOT… EVEN… CLOSE…

So that’s the reason why raiding should be more rewardable?

@Uda-uldum

Basically, a “BiS” trinket responsible for 2% of your performance is NOT the same as another “BiS” trinket responsible for 20% of your performance.

And what was the difference between fully upgraded Normal / Heroic version (version from trivial content) and Mythic one?

@Uda-uldum

The fact that its easy or Puggable dosent mean I want to spend my time farming that cesspool of dung…

It’s only your choice. Also it’s a choice of every raider to get your BiS slots from Mythic+ as well.

I found it useful that you can get your gear from multiple source because:

• it makes your gear progression faster
• it brings people to the content (e.g. raiders to M+ and M+ people to raids)

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Эксплорейшн-howling-fjord

@Uda-uldum

Or they could add 2/3 min to certain dungeons like GB. Easy fix. Easier than changing an affix.

I believe they intentionally want to test a bit slower gear progression for more casual audience. And to reduce number of YOLO AOE pulls in M+ to the side of more tactic-based safer approach.

What they are testing is if they can force players back into mythic rading guilds.

Because if Tou are not a mythic raider then m+ is just not for you this season .

But Hey - everyone will be 619 and not a single itlv higher thx to dvelves do nobody shoudl complain eh ?

[Walkingdrip-antonidas]

People who ask for CP removal just prove that they die way too much and refuse to learn the game. Quite sad.

[Nellja-magtheridon]

@Uda-uldum

So. Currently : Myth raiders get full Mythic in ~ 1.5 months.

How did you figure that? A Mythic raider gets 1.8 items a week, all on RNG on the slots, assuming they are clearing first 2 bosses from week one.

[Uda-uldum]

@Nellja-magtheridon

How did you figure that? A Mythic raider gets 1.8 items a week, all on RNG on the slots, assuming they are clearing first 2 bosses from week one.

From what i see from friends that raid mythic and how long they take to be fully decked out.

If I get a Mythic raider that has an upgrade each and every week on the vault. But on top has drops from bosses at the tune of 1/week. Then he would have 2 items per week, for 13 slots (15-2 crafts) equals ~1.5 months.

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Now. My numbers are a very rough approximation based on a lot of assumptions and my personal observations. So I am sure they are off and you can disagree with them. But my point still stands.

The 1.8 item/week on average you mention is more accurate than my numbers. 100%.

But what is also true is that an M+ enjoyer will get at best 1 items/week (myth trak from vault) per week, and realistically something along the lines of 0.5 items/week from the vault. 2x to 3x less than a Myth raider. THAT is my point.