So, Retribution got 85% of their damage taken away. The spec is now simming like 5k in full bis gear. Exodin sims close to 6k with absolute bis. The next spec above us sims 11k. Almost twice as much as our best spec.
How about warlocks and mages that are simming 20k? How about Hunters simming 20k and getting buffs?
If you wanted a proof for blizz hating Retribution, there you go
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Stop crying, with the nerfs you actually have to be skilled to be top dps, to win in Pvp.
Season of Paladin 1global is over. L2p get good.
W blizzard
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What sims are you looking at?
The sims I see show dps across the board fairly close to each other, simming around the 12k mark.
The changes have brought everyone into line and Blizzard have actually done a good job here.
Paladins should never be top DPS. You’re a hybrid. Get over it.
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typical paladin andy exaggerating in the extreme.
- ret paladin, before the recent nerfs on PTR were simming for a whopping 16.000 dps in full bis… 2nd place simming for 10k… that’s 60% more than the 2nd placeholder.
- you aren’t simming for 5k, you’re simming for around 11k now, so you are still dop tog.
- if you expected things to remain the way they are right now, you were simply deluding yourself. there’s a reason paladin (ret specifically) is the most played class in all of sod, bar none, and i can promise you its not because its a high skill ceiling class/spec that is just that fun to play compared to all the other classes.
you know blizzard did something right when Wavé and Arkaviun rush to the forums to complain how they were never on top of the world, and now will be buried as a class never to be played again.
the sheer amount of paladin tears on the US forum right now is a very good sign that things are going the right direction.
The Tier 1 6-piece bonus now reduces the damage of Seal of Command, Righteousness, and Martyrdom by 35% (was 15%)
The Tier 2 2-piece bonus now increases the damage of your damaging Judgements by 5% (was 20%)
The Tier 2 4-piece bonus now reduces the cooldown of your Judgements by 2sec (was 5sec)
Righteous Vengeance now deals 30% of the critical damage of abilities that proc it (was 50%) Leogan’s proc now grants 200 strength (was 250)
buh bye one-shot twist andies, time to actually get gud if you wanna win.
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paladin twisters dont deserve the light of day.
now they need to shatter mm hunter and pvp is finally saved.
Dude, shut up. Your entire post is literally filled with this nonsense exaggerating whilst the truth was completely different starting with:
2nd place were warriors 1k ish behind rets twisting and stacking. So this statement is just straightup wrong. Infact I’ll just run it down from the 31th of March:
Ret Stack - 16160dps
Ret Twist - 16080dps
Fury 2h - 14620dps
Firelock - 14220dps
Fury DW - 13980dps
Ret Wrathlite - 13630dps
Shadow - 13540dps
Shadowlock - 13270dps
Enh 2h - 12865dps
Affliction - 12840dps
Exodin - 12720dps
Demolock - 12560dps
AVG being 12369dps
If you want the picture I can gladly send it to you.
Literally did nothing right except pissing off a majority of people, the only discord that is actually rejoicing in those changes are rogues out of all things.
cant even get the updated nerfs from last night 
you living in 2024 whilst everyone else is in 2025.
This nerf is stupid, it ruins the playstyle, while im 100% ok with damage reductions, this makes the rotation feel clunky.
And for any1 saying Bye bye 1 shot global… il wait til you meet a paladin on launch to come right back to the forums screaming about the same stuff.
1 - Twisting does not use Sealbearing enchant
2 - Judgement damage down 15% ok
3 - Reducing the cd on the judgement, only comes into play on the 2nd global.
4 - Rightous Vengence is bit of loss.
i highly expect people to still die, or die very shortly after the 1st global still as majority of changes come in to play AFTER the initial burst and IF this isnt the case, please shut up about 1 global class yea? 
on the rotation note though nerfing 4pc T2, was just a joke, so u either still wear a nerfed 4pc set that does less damage and makes your judgement every other auto or you go back to 1 judgement every 3 globals.
So stupid! poor design.
I would rather them just change spell/talent combination and get the base Judgement CD to 3 seconds and then just nerf the damage down, to keep the playstyle the same, with lower damage, at least this would keep the rotation style the same.
dont argue with this clown, shamans next to be nerfed anyways lol
hahahaha Wavé working overtime to mass post on both EU and US forums.
i’m a little bit stunned that you didn’t see this day coming bro.
i told you it would happen, numerous times.
by the way shamans have been nerfed every patch since phase 2 and are actually getting some minor nerfs this patch too - nothing as severe as the ret paladin nerfs, but nerfs regardless… it would be pretty absurd to nerf shamans as hard as they are nerfing paladins, considering the circumstances of, well, paladin being absurdly strong and literally one-shotting people for months and were on track to become even stronger next phase.
that list of sims you posted is pure cope.
nobody cares about the average dps spreadsheet when you are 40 leagues beyond “average” at the number 1 spot.
also, those fury 2h sims, if i had to guess, are based world best type of players in 30 second fights, whereas the paladin sims are likely just your average wavé/arkaviun paladin player… and you know what? its still 2k below both ret paladin specs.
and just what the hell is “ret wrathlite” even.
and you know what else? i’m not even sure i can trust you nor take your word for it when you said what the average even is, because i have known you for months to be a selfish, dishonest, compulsive liar.
Amen to that. It was sorely needed. We were at the bottom with healing mages…
To merely create the illusion of shamans getting weaker, the only thing that has gotten weaker is enhance in PvP.
Yet tank shamans and every iteration of that in PvP has still been the top spec alongside hunters and boomies, far ahead of literally anyone else in PvP. Melee does not exist with those around, rogues have the best odds with paladins, or you just outnumber that shaman by 3 people.
But all of that is not an automatic win no matter how much the delusional clowns like you and yours believe.
People disagree with just nerfing paladins, the meta specs in PvP will get nerfed count your days as it won’t stay this way forever. But like the pathetic loser you and horde players always have been, y’all will find a way to scapegoat and gaslight anyone else to be “unfairly” broken and OP whilst defending blatant OP specs.
Pretty much horde players still needing to l2p even post nerfs like always.
There’s a difference, actually doing the effort of learning how classes work and can name a source from respective discords and theres you and yours, being an overexaggerating liars.
I offered you my screenshot from 31th of march, yet you wouldn’t take it to keep whatever sense of pride you got left intact.
wdym warlock got a 80% nerf 2weeks into nax lmao
if you’re talking about PTR who care , that’s what PTR are for.
tank shamans/any shamans are fine.
paladins are not. hope that helps.
one shooting, getting outnumbered, getting on your 
and bubbling isn’t strategy, but that’s what the alliance these days are.
Tier 1 6-piece / Soul of the Sealbearer now reduces the damage of Seal of Command, Righteousness, and Martyrdom by 45% (was 15%)
The Tier 4 2-piece bonus now increases holy damage by 10% per stack of Holy Power (was 20%)
keep it up and they just might up the twist dmg reduction to 60%.
I’m still waiting for them to fix the dmg that breaks absorb effects not counted towards pvp DR 
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Self report, The difference between the top two classes was a massive 10%. Meanwhile:
The difference between the next 2 is barely 2%.
The difference between paladin and warrior was almost as big as the difference between warrior and the actual bottom.
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y’all will find a way to scapegoat and gaslight anyone else to be “unfairly” broken and OP whilst defending blatant OP specs.
I must say I have enjoyed your endless crusade of defending Paladins both here and on US forums. It has been a treat to watch and read.
But this line here, by far, has been the most entertaining one.
Witnessing you accusing people of gaslighting, while you’ve been doing this for months with your, well let’s face it, only argument being: “Shamans are more OP than paladins and thus we are balanced and do not deserve to be nerfed, L2P horde.” has been the cherry on the top of this pie.
I truly believe you have been trolling this entire time or have been throwing gasoline on a fire, in which case a job very well done sir. It has been my weekly guilty pleasure to look up these forums and watch you work.
In the off chance I am mistaken I would suggest you look up the word “narcissist” in a dictionary. Or better yet ask ChatGPT how to deal with this.
Sincerely,
A Fan / Someone who would never want to raid with you or be in a BG with you; but very much would like to be in a BG against you.
(you may choose whatever is applicable to you)
P.S. Posting on low forgotten Shaman alt is not a coincidence nor is the irony lost on me.
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This is real issue no one cares about pvp and that is why paladins got nerf because u need to be skilled to beat paladin in pvp,
Says shaman 
Healer mages taking a real nerf for sure
This is real issue no one cares about pvp and that is why paladins got nerf because u need to be skilled to beat paladin in pvp,
For you maybe, some may like pvp. Some like picking flowers, some likes fishing.
Not everyone likes pressing 2 buttons 90% winrate and be top dawg dps like you Wave.
Others needed to be skilled to stand a chance against a paladin, while the paladin could be drooling on his keyboard in full quest reward gear pressing a castsequence macro and still win.
That seemed fair Mr skill issue.
Paladin top 3 dps PvE aswell, that seemed fair too. Hybrid class swiss army knife wheelchair class.
This crying over shamans is just lame. Only shaman spec that is somewhat strong in pvp is Tank Ele hybrid (still far behind paladin post nerf, pre nerf, futurum nerf)
You can counter them easily too by just playing shockadin and not hit them melee. FYI
Btw i told you i was gonna get to touch some grass as soon the paladins got Fixed , snow has melted away. Now its time! 
You should try it too Wave, now that you not getting spoonfeed with your 15 alts spamming every forum / discord.
PS. Cant wait until i see you tiny legs running around in EPL next phase, im gonna teach you what skill issue means.