It has been prouven time and time again in history that u can’t force people to behave to way u want them to through law or rules.
The more you use in game rules to oblige people to behave a certain way to more it prompts them to do the opposite and promotes more toxicitiy. It is a fact, like someone said previously in an other thread, rules were indeed made to be broken.
So if you make rules to impose good behaviour then your basically promoting bad behaviour wether u realise it or not.
The best rule is no rule. Rather just a system with what exists in life. Causality. Cause and effect. If someone is a problem in the chat u impose a chat restriction untill things die down. The goal is not to punish, the goal is to keep the game running smoothly. Why because there is no such thing as a bad apple. Anyone and everyone is potentially a bad apple on a bad day. We need to face the fact that everyone has good and bad in them and more to the point singling out people and scapegoating them for everything is NOT the solution. It’s just cowardice and a form of hazing/bullying.
This social contract stuff sounds like somekind of aggressive vigilante justice made by some young developpers who have no idea how things work.
A good example of the socalled social contract fail is valorante. It has one of the most aggressive social conformity contracts when u creat an account and yet it is one of the most toxic FPS games out there. Go figure.
How does the social contact affect you? Other than the pop up you click away on your first character and the lack of “your mother is so fat…” jokes in Trade?
Personally not a fan of the contract, because I think dealing with toxic people is a part of life, both in real life and ingame. And in real life if you want to report something, it is a hassle because you have to waste your time going to a police station etc. so people are less eager to report stupid things, whereas ingame it is easy to report anything. And some people make it their hobby to be offended and the victim. So I imagine Blizzard gets loads of idiotic reports.
That being said, I dont feel the contract limits me in my interactions?
You do realise that the only thing that the social contract did was pull all the various parts of the Code of conduct you’d already agreed to into one simple statement?
There was nothing in the ‘new’ social contract that wasn’t already required of players beforehand.
I suspect that they threw it in their in part because of the massive scandal in Blizzard HQ plus the fact that they were fed up of having to point out to people who had been banned for antisocial behaviour why it was justified.
It’s one of the didn’t even notice and non-issue threads to me. Sorry. I’m sure any decent person won’t mind.
To be honest the contract basically says “Don’t be offensive, or you might get banned” I don’t see what’s new from before the contract existed. This game is a social experience and lives or dies on the interactions players have. If you want to do well, and want the game to do well, be nice.
Wait, we are still discussing this “Extra accept ToS” button?
I thought this was old forum “content” by now?
That’s quite a funny statement.
I would argue laws and rules are quite effective, or as society we’d of abandoned them centuries ago
Ye i completely disagree.In fact the M+ keys are much less rude than before.Still, some say a few things here and there but not as before.
Go Prime Minister and cancel all laws then.Earth will be paradise?
There are people who need to be checked
In real life we meet much less bad behaviour because they are not behind a computer feeling safe so anything can happen.And when we do it is very different seeing the person in front of you than an Orc toon in a game.
In the game everyone used to say exactly what he has in his mind without a filter and attacking much easier to the psyche of anyone who did not do something right.For a small tiny detail.That’s Internet of course in any form.Still people should be protected than do nothing.
Especially when every society on this planet is based on laws and rules that get enforced to keep civilization.
social contract? i think to have had some pop up but i totally avoided to read.
I gather from your thread you’re not young so you must be very naive as theres most definitely bad apples around. Sometimes theres a reason, sometimes thats just who they are and the safety of the internet brings it out.
This new contract is a non-issue for most people. The only people that really notice are the ones it’s designed for… or against I guess?
Define a problem.
Define a chat restriction.
Define things die down.
Codify it and then what do you have? A set of Ts&Cs (which is all the “social contract” is, a restating of sections of the Ts&Cs.
They shouldn’t have called it a Social Contract, as basicly a Social Contract is a set of unwritten rules so why did they try to make it a set of written rules?
We’ve all been signing Ts&Cs for years on all sorts of software and hardware but nobody complained too much about that.
Click Accept and move on like most people. This thing won’t change much.
And yet not one civilization or nation has lasted more than few centuries. They always corrupt when childish mind, psycho or lunatic gets the power at some point. Its extremely sad.
Who could have predicted this?!
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china would like a word with its several thousand years of history
The Oldest Living Civilization
An old missionary student of China once remarked that Chinese history is “remote, monotonous, obscure, and-worst of all-there is too much of it.” China has the longest continuous history of any country in the world—3,500 years of written history. And even 3,500 years ago China’s civilization was old! This in itself is discouraging to the student, particularly if we think of history as a baffling catalogue of who begat somebody, who succeeded somebody, who slew somebody, with only an occasional concubine thrown in for human interest. But taken in another way, Chinese history can be made to throw sharp lights and revealing shadows on the story of all mankind—from its most primitive beginnings, some of which were in Asia, to its highest point of development in philosophy and religion, literature and art.
In art and philosophy, many people think, no culture has ever surpassed that of China in its great creative periods. In material culture, though we think of the roots of our own civilization as being almost entirely European, we have also received much from Asia—paper, gunpowder, the compass, silk, tea, and porcelain.
Nothing changes, yep…
Ehm… Quite the opposite. Laws overal work pretty well; the bad apples who break them are the minority.
Where has it been proven op ? Which study have u read that proves it ?