i don’t think many people sympathize with mage players considering the history of mage ruling supreme for almost 20 years straight.
mages in 2019 was the most toxic dips i’ve ever seen.
how can you sit there and say sheep spam into eat/drink is even remotely good design, for example. (i know you haven’t, but i’ve seen mages defend this playstyle unironically).
i am personally ecstatic that frost mage is garbage because they are anti-fun.
must be great fun for them, but lemme tell you, being rooted and perma slowed while taking tons of damage you can’t prevent is no fun for anyone else.
and this is of course while the mage can literally run circles around you, sometimes even taunting a melee class by running close to them, but staying just out of range.
Mage wasn’t even the best class in PvP OR PvE in Vanilla so idk what your grievance is but at least I know you’re arguing in bad faith. This isn’t Classic WoW, it’s SoD.
May I ask if you were fighting Onyxia with the intended raid size (40 man) or you created a challenge for yourself and tried to take her down with only ~20 people? If the latter, there is no wonder it takes long
40 man isn’t intended in SoD. 20 is.
If 20 were intended then it would be limited to 20 just like MC.
Also she drops way too much loot for a 20 man boss.
40 is and was the intended number, if you wish a challenge you can 20-man or even 15-man her but prepare for a long fight then
Did you see that in your crystal ball? It’s made for 20 people. We’ve killed it with 20 people. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s overtuned.
curious that mage would win almost all tournaments if their nemesis the warlock weren’t there to halt them in the finals.
Onyxia was made for 40 people. That is why you can enter this raid with 40 people. It was for 40 people in Vanilla, in 2019 classic, in SoM. It still is. She still has HP to be fought with 40. She still has loot to be distributed among 40. The developers have not made any comments on any change in Ony raid size. If the intended raid size changes, you will be notified just like it was with BFD, Gnomeregan, ST and MC.
" Mage would be the best if not for the class that’s better than Mage "
Bro can you stop clowning.
Shadow Priest beats Mage too and Hunter/Rogue are in a good position to do it as well.
The phase 4 preview literally says it’s tuned for 20 players. Stop trolling.
mage only losing by virtue of warlock countering them is the point i am making.
if no warlocks participate in tournament mage takes the win.
warlock easily killed by classes like enhancement shaman, but since enh shaman is dogwater in vanilla nobody enters into tournaments with them, thus giving warlock the upper hand because one of their counters is out of the competition, allowing them to inch it out.
this is irrelevant though.
good luck convincing anyone that mage was ever not top tier in vanilla.
It wasn’t #1. A good Hunter can beat a mage. A good SP can beat a mage.
a good mage can beat both those as well.
at the end of the day vanilla is about rock paper scissors and this will likely never change, at least not intentionally.
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They say “she will be tuned to be ultimately completed by 20 players”, meaning she is designed to be realistically possible with 20, but noone said it would be easy or quick.
Also, again, the raid size is still 40. When you choose to beat a boss with twice less people, do not expect it to be as easy.
I’m not interested in your made up fantasies. It’s tuned for 20 people. Their own words.
Okay so it’s not #1. Cool. Glad we established that.
I have explained it to you over and over
The raid boss is not meant to melt in 3 minutes with half the roster
If you cannot grasp this simple idea, there’s nothing I can do for you
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That’s exactly what the top logs are doing.
The game is not designed around top% players
Well it’s not designed around average players either considering PUGs are wiping on Ony left right and center
Pugs should consider doing it with an actual full raid instead of wiping because they are too greedy for loot
An actual full raid probably has worse odds to do Ony than 20 people because they’ll fail P2 stacking and tail swipe more.