Quoting the P4 preview video by the devs:
“If you are forming a pick-up group and wanna ensure QUICK success, you can bring 40 players, but if you are running with your guild, 20 players may make more sense to maximize your rewards”
TL;DR:
You do pug? Do 40 man. You want it quick? Do 40 man. You are in a guild and are more organised and prepared? Then you can take on a challenge and 20-man it
It says " Tuned for ~20 people "
I have literally just dropped a direct extensive quote by a dev on what is the intentional size in each case
but you are not a top logger.
you are an average andy who raid with average andy players all whom probably haven’t set foot in heat 3 of MC yet.
you have delusions of grandeur just like most other gamers have, when it comes to their own ability and skill level.
the standard isn’t to beat the game the way the top loggers do, that is reserved for the elite class of wow players - those who live and breathe the game, with toxic loot rules, loot feeding policies and mandatory demands for each and every consumable and world buff in the game - and by that i mean, you better god damn sit out those 8 hours to get your DMF buff and if you lose it you’re getting benched and if you get benched you get lootbanned for a week.
the type of player who would sell their own mother to the devil for a free crusader enchant and not think twice.
the type of player who will look at your 95 parse and unironically call you a noob because its not 99 or 100.
the type of player who will have you sit in queue to drop your rend/ony head buff because we need it for our raid, and if you pop it without permission you are getting gkicked without a second thought.
are you one of those players?
no, you’re not.
if you were, it would be the first thing you’d be prostrating around whenever you engage in any arguments with people around here, because that’s how players like that simply are.
their credibility (and that of other people) are based solely on their ability to consistently pull 99+ parses - nothing more, nothing less.
you could tell a player like this that the sky is blue, and if you don’t have the 99 parse to back it up, he would say you are wrong.
alright?
we clear?
recruit more dpsers and stop whining.
onyxia is easy, but if your gear doesn’t meet the dps check, you’re not going to be doing what the top loggers do.
oh and btw. there are PLENTY of qualified candidates around who have the ability to be a top logger but simply choose not to because its not a fun environment to be in.
some of us have been there and done that and decided its not worth the time or the effort this time around - especially on a SEasOnAL ReALm where nothing is balanced and your spec/class could receive class breaking gutting nerfs any day of the week, depending on what the devs think.
it takes the idea that wow is a second job and puts it on steroids.
Mage is the best pvp class in vanila and in the hands of very good players , its unstoppable by game mechanics design.
Top players that also use all the niche things with engineering and fap etc and they are masters on the class , they dont loose from anything.
Also, lets not forget that the warlock that killed ziqo is one if not the strongest mechanical player in existence for that tourney and generally on retail as a lock…
And another funny thing we need to remember is… They fought on dogwater gear… Because a bis frost mage end game gear 2 shots everything and we both know that hehe…
Youre correct but yea… Dont try to convince … Peace boys.
Lol… for my full potential as a warlock i need a shadow priest (shadow weaving debuff +15% Shadow damage)
A rogue for poison +10% spelldamage
A second warlock with demonic pact + mark of chaos +10% damage, +10% spellpower.
A priest with spirit buff (+20 spellpower)
A hunter with heart of the lion (+10% spirit and int)
A fire mage with improved scorch debuff (15% more imp demon damage)
Two or even three melee dps with the nightfall Axe (if this will be a thing in SoD).
Having these things make my dps go up by x1.5, i could also consider the game to be “unplayable” without these things if your logic says that only full potential is enjoyable.
so tell me more about being dependent on other classes / players…
you forgot the power infusion every rotation 
omg so true. recently was. raid was 18 ppl first. pure loot greed. so silly. than 21 ppl and easy peacy.
That depends entirely on your definition of ‘top logging’. Most competent raid leaders know that 99 parses don’t matter. I couldn’t care less what some Chinese guy blasting 100g every MC on consumes thinks, he’s not better at the game, just sweats more. A 99 Mage Parse on bosses like Lucifron or Shazzrah means you didn’t do any dispels. Why in the world would anyone admire such a player?
Who tf said anything about ‘‘full potential’’ ? I need a Shadow Priest to PLAY THE GAME. That’s BAD, OPPRESSIVE design from 2004 when Mage had a mana bar at the cost of doing loads of damage. In SoD every class does good damage, so it makes no sense that Mage is the only class that still goes OOM.
Crying because he ain’t the top dog, what a melt. Thanks for the laughs though.
Nice reading comprehension bro
It is what you are crying about. It’s not about you guys not killing it, its because you don’t have the mana to be on the top of the meters. That’s what you are CRYING about.
No sympathy for parsing andy’s at all, ever.
So you really do lack reading comprehension. No my dude, it’s the fact that Mage is the only class in SoD with a mana bar. Having to wand is an alien concept to any other class in SoD.
Just say you’re bad lmao
Sounds like a skill issue tbh.
I am bad.
Sounds like bad trolling. Flagged and ignored.
Classic Onyxia has 1 milion HP
SoD Onyxia has 5 milion HP
People on SoD do 5 times more dps than Classic ones. Sounds logic for me.
Classic Onyxia is a 40 man boss, SoD Onyxia is a 20 man boss. So you’d need to do 10 times the DPS, which I don’t think happens. SoD Onyxia also has the elite drake and an elite spawn throughout the fight.
Nope its a 40 man boss, seeing as they fixed the bug that let up to 40 people into MC its clear that Ony is still a 40 man boss, at least if you call a boss that you easily could 20 man with a little bit of raid gear in 2019 a 40 man boss the same is true here but without the raid gear needed.
We did Onyxia with 13 people. If the strategy is executed correctly. Then the fight becomes very easy.
And Gear matters ALOT.
People that are crying about how tuned onyxia is… deserve 50 dkp minus
Its almost a free kill, by almost i mean you need at least a monitor and keyboard OR mouse to kill it