The toolkit of Retribution is clunky and the runes are lackluster.
Having to choose between Seal of Martyrdom and Divine Storm.
Bad. Very bad. Poor design. These are literally the top Paladin spells that share the same slot.
Only form this move alone the Paladins lost like 6-7 positions on the list of DPS.
SoC is bad. How bad? As bad as 3 procs per minute if you are lucky. SoC procs can miss. Even if it crits it is not worht it. Below 20% proc rate. The RNG on this is absolutely terrible. The judgement hits for a decent amount. Nothing to write home about for an 8 seconds cd.
DS - hits hard, if you have Vengeance up and you get a crit you can see a decent number on your screen, around 750 with the STV pvp weapon.
SoM - Procs every aa. This is worth its weight in gold. It can crit. At this point, only thanks to these 2 facts, it outshines ALL other seals, despite the proc being able to miss. I would love to have only this, remove the mana return. Thanks.
Also, SoM might pull ahead only because it makes your crit twice as valuable on every attack, especially wit hthe new „savior”, the 36 mana Exorcism.
Eye for an Eye deals more damage than your whole toolkit in PvP.
Self explanatory. This happens even in 1v1. Only this argument stands as a proof for how bad the Retri toolkit is.
The so-called buff.
With the SoC + DS toolkit the buff is literally worthless. You might get 25-30 extra dps at the end of the fight. Enjoy! Don’t forget a Chaos Bolt crits for 3k.
Wait for other changes to hit the live servers. Retri is going to hit a new rock bottom, beating only frost mages which nobody plays LOL.
This buff helps Holy and the Shockadin.
Future phases runes
They are designed for teh 2 other Paladin specs, leaving Retri in the dust, again.
In Vanilla, Rets are doing like 100 dps or so at 60, making them literally the bottom of the specs with a huge cap between them and the next spec. In SoD The situation is about to get the same with nothing in mind for Retris, but everything for Prot and Holy.
Doubt so. Pala is OG. Spell Power scalling with Attack Power made them even more broken. They are truly the Hero class of Vanilla. High burst, best armor in the game, self healing. They are literally Warriors but with strong defensives. So i say: Enjoy what you have or go play Dragonflight.
The problem with Paladins is they always want more and more and more. But you cant have everything.
Ngl rets are kinda overlooked in the whole xyz class is overpowered debate. HoJ, press your two buttons, if the target isn’t dead already bubble up and run away.
Im not trolling, but this whole topic is just ridiculous. You want your class to be buffed because it deals ~50 dps less than meta which is currently broken and probably will be nerfed quickly. If you cant find a raid group just make some friends or something.
Its funny. Paladins in Vanilla have no damage dealing abilities - they cry. Blizz give’s them bunch of damage dealing abilities in season of discovery - they cry because they cant top DPS
Top 100 ret´s on warcraft logs doing 384- 581 dps, with is more than enough for the walmart gnome raid.
Sry if i have to tell you, but this is a skill issue then, maybe ret isnt the right class for you, play bm/meele hunter instead, if u think you do no dmg, and u need to play a meta class to find a raid spot
then put these meta slaves on ignore, and find good, none toxic players who accept Ret, i play since 11 years Feral, and even when he was the Worst spec, and by Worst spec i mean last place when it comes to dmg, and utility, and i never had a Problem to find a m+ grp or a raid spot.
some peoples have rejected me because i wasnt a meta class, ofc stuff like this happend really often, But luckily enough people play this game that not everyone is like that
You are so lame for interpreting only half of the sentences and skipping out the essential parts. Talking to you is like playing chess with pigeons. They are clueless, wil lfly away and throw pieces around, exactly like you do.
You are lvl 35, you don’t even know how Gnomeregan looks like.
if there was 50 dps between the bottom and the top specs everyone would be pleased.
As I said you are an obnoxious troll frustrated he was left without the mechanic that carried your class through bfd. dw, you were useless anyway.
Now go back and farm boars for xp. Don’t forget to eat between pulls.
What are you smoking, rets are like warriors in PvP, fodder for ranged classes+rogues+melee hunter.
to the actual topic: rets need buffs and not something like the last buff, a buff as in making Crusader Strike and Divine Storm holy damage based of your weapon damage, we literally got an epic with +holy damage and in wrath (where they took somany runes from) it is indeed holy damage.
yeah, cuz u dont have counter arguments, but I didn’t expect anything else from a player who is just bad and can only complain, how about to stop wasting your time on the forum, and getting good instead?
according to your response, and the forum thread in general, you are frustrated.
what a flame, go back and play some uno online, and stop complaining, rets where in orginal classic way weaker, and putting so much emphasis on gnomeregan logs is so ridiculous, just wait until 60, and if ret stays trash af, then complain, because it´s the endgame. thx
A counter argument comes after someone reads or listens to your argument properly. So, mr Faveyo, you are at full fault here. Your frustration comes from failing at reading. No wonder.
I have wrongly accused you of interpreting only half of the sentence you have just read.
Actually, you have interpreted only the part you could read. Now go back and spam your nerfed starsurge. Hope the moonkins are going to get more nerfs so I can see you screaming on paladin posts.
Secondly, the last part of the message was not for you, but I guess that’s how the illiteracy functions, it gives you PR rights by default.
If a paladin is wearing full DPS gear there is little if any Int on it so very little self-healing. Why do people think that just because a class can heal that they are any good at it while not being geared or spec’d for healing?
Paladins sucked in Vanilla. They had terribly scaling and awful talents. My level 60 Paladin in full T2 did less single target damage than my level 40 rogue did back in 2005.
Because if your class can tank, heal and deal top dps whats the point of playing any other class? That’s the flavour of vanilla wow. I agree that hybrids were bad in vanilla but they fixed it pretty good in TBC. For example as a retri you had good dps but your healing was crippled because of lack of healing spell power in gear.
Warrior’s get crippled version of victory rush which activates after killing target, heals only 10% instead of retail’s 20% also it have 8 second cooldown for some reason. Worst part of it is in the same rune spot with SMF/Endless Rage making it basically dead rune.
flame, go back and play some uno online, and stop complaining, rets where in orginal classic way weaker, and putting so much emphasis on gnomeregan logs is so ridiculous, just wait until 60, and if ret stays trash af, then complain, because it´s the endgame. thx
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