Solo "LFR" Raid Experience

[Jadzía-cthun (Jadzía)]

@Shumensko-azjolnerub

Yes, it could work, but would basically be the same as remaking the entire raid for (arguably) marginal effect. And then they’ll have to rebalance it for every possible spec - just remember the Mage Tower.

If they use AI bots they dont need to remake any raid, if those bots are capable to play in Arathi and adapt their tactics to opposite player tactics they should be able to play already defined encounters. They only need to add some anti-afk checks to avoid the bots to complete the encounter without the player doing nothing or make mistakes. For example if the player steps into the fire make some bots die, if the player stops doing DPS or healing make bots to reduce their DPS and healing unitl the player go back to play, and of course if the player dies make the raid wipe in a few seconds.

[Shumensko-azjolnerub (Shumensko)]

@Carion-argent-dawn

They wouldn’t have to rebalance it for every spec. It would only have to be designed to teach three roles - dps, tank and healer.

A fair point. Still, it’s 3 times more work than just removing some mechanics for LFR.

[Jadzía-cthun (Jadzía)]

@Shumensko-azjolnerub

They wouldn’t have to rebalance it for every spec. It would only have to be designed to teach three roles - dps, tank and healer.

A fair point. Still, it’s 3 times more work than just removing some mechanics for LFR.

Not if they use bots. If they use bots LFR encounter againts 25 characters would be the same encounter no matter if those 25 are players or just 1 is a player and the rest are bots. They only need to make some generic checks for the player so he dont AFK and make mistakes. Machine learning bots is the future.

[Shumensko-azjolnerub (Shumensko)]

Someone has to program those “magic” bots for each encounter.

[Sandario-emeriss]

You are indeed lucky, i have had queue times of 40 mins even as a healer.
Not that im complaining because i know its my choice to go do lfr so im the one that has to put up with it

[Jadzía-cthun (Jadzía)]

Actually no, those bots does not need to be programmed by humans, is called machine learning, is used today in many areas, not just videogames. They already have machine learning bots created, they only need to put them in raid encounters and make them fight, the first few hundred times bots will just do everything wrong, but they will learn, just like it happened with Arathi AI bots.

This already exits in game, those bots were used for the Arathi Brawl againts bots, the bots learned and improved over the week, the first day it was easy win even with 5 bases, by the last day the bots still loose but it was actually hard to keep more than 3 bases and sometimes even they won. By the next time we have that Brawl probably it wont be 100% players winning anymore.

[Jashindo-the-shatar]

@Razien-quelthalas

Imagine complaining that you don’t get your already free rewards fast enough.

It’s not about the rewards. More about wanting to do the content I paid my sub for.

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@Keyur-draenor

Holy shyt thread . Everyone needs hug here.

Aye, thinsg went down hill a bit. Might be recovering!

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@Bukachu-ravencrest

depends if its intended to crash or not.
WoW’s intended to have queues, yes larger queues is a problem, but making raids a solo content isnt a fix.
I said what’d fix it to a major degree, because that’s the major problem with the game right now.
make raids more flexible, its LFR 2-4-14, or 2-5-13 wouldn’t matter, implement it to a degree.
implement 4 tanks into all raid diffuculties and most issues (including not just raid but dungeon queues) will be fixed.
could even implement a willing “autofill” for certain classes.
there’re A LOOOOOOT of fixes, and yeah issues exists but “lemme do it solo” isnt a solution.

But why 4 tanks? Is this to combat the problem over people not playing tanks because there isn’t as many tank slots as healers or DPS? Thats one way, along with somehow making Tanking and Healer more fun (cos for some it already is) and/or lucrative. Reducing LFR raid sizes - even, yeah, making LFR Flex as well would be good.

I still think a Solo Scenario could work, even if it’s only accessible in the previous tier.

@Bukachu-ravencrest

most? not really. some definitely. step up your observation game.

Well then its an unfortunate case of “many post of yours I see, but I don’t see every post” which is still worrying.

@Bukachu-ravencrest

now that’s not true but in case I didnt make it clear lemme quote myself.

But it is though. Negativity with you comes often - not always. I will point that out, but it isn’t rare. Hey though, you don’t care. Aw well.

@Bukachu-ravencrest

NM takes same time as LFR, skill, slightly more. by slightly i mean you just shouldnt afk. and schedule, as i said above, it takes same time as LFR.

Well, at least Normal doesn’t necessarily have a queue, and you can put in effort to make things faster by setting up your own raid. Still, Normal you have to at least do the tactics. LFR you just have to partially acknowledge them!

@Bukachu-ravencrest

people dont play tanks because there’s no demand on them AND they’re not fun to play overall.
issue isnt just lfr queues, issue is dungeon queues (and probably bigger issue than LFR). it gets even worse on lower levels, there’re 1001 things “game devs” could do, if they were good at it. i named above some of it

The changes to tanking in BFA didn’t help. I had other reasons for changing to DPS from Tanking in Legion, but I don’t like feeling thankful that I did. Tanking still isn’t hard for the most part and I do enjoy it enough to possible pick up my BDK again, but I still don’t think the changes to threat and other parts of tanking helped.

@Bukachu-ravencrest

because - when you’re in queue - you can do 1001 other aspects of the game.

But why is the queue so long for the one thing you do want to do. A bit of a wait is fine, but 20 minutes is edging towards stupid fast.

@Bukachu-ravencrest

figured, just cant really tell why you’re flexing with that to me. I went 2 tiers above that when diamond meant something idk, odd flex.

Oh dear god! No! No! No! Not a flex at all. That was to one of the other commenters. Anyway, I hate Vayne, but I do understand the annoyance top end MOBA players have with queues and am thankful that I am crap enough to have shorter queues.

@Bukachu-ravencrest

I mean, if you wanna speak numbers. number drop started when LFR was introduced in the first place, so lets start from there

Let’s replace LFR with Solo Scenarios then! Thats what my idea was - LFR ruined raiding because it brought in people who were not prepared to contribute to mechanics. The Solo Scenarios would make you contribute and prepare you for Normal+. That was my thinking in it all.

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@Carion-argent-dawn

Fair points. I suppose it could work, if it was designed to teach people the mechanics, take things in a stepped manner so it would indicate when things transitioned to the next phase, with instructions. Basically taking it slower, but compressing the fight down so you know, it isn’t exacly the length of the real fight.

I can see that being incredibly handy. Especially for those who might be a bit anxious of trying raids in general, and for the more casual and less experienced raiding guilds and people in general.

Exactly! Pretty much this. Though not too slow - there would still be enough threat in the fight to matter! Balancing would be an issue though.

[Ãnna-draenor]

I think they did a great job in Trial of the Crusader on the faction fight… and that was quite a while ago now