And again, because it has to be said until it finally sinks into at least one skull…
Are you banned right now?
Because if you arent, then what you´ve been doiung up until this point was obviously not worth banning.
SO the obvious solution to your non-issue is to just keep doing exactly what you’ve been doing, maybe leave a little bit less, problem solved.
Bwahahahahahahahahaha…
You, of all people, that sits here refusing to acknowledge and engage with obvious facts and replace them with hoogieboogie and hyperbole, while admitting to absolutely refusing to consider the implications of your suggestions on the actual majority of the game because you only care about m+, have the gall to call others close minded for daring to try to enlighten you to how actual reality works?
You just can´t make this up … I´m gonna go make Popcorn, this is gonna be a fun ride
The follower system or “AI” as people call it, is in no way capable of clearing higher difficulty content, It still struggles with basic pathing and positioning, Not to mention Brann in Delves, ninjapulling left and right, and standing in aoe while yelling at you not to stand in aoe.
What “more punishing than ever” are you talking about? This has always been the case.
Being a greafer and deliberatelly playing to troll other people is against the GTAC of Blizzard. Always have been.
And any action you take can get you banned. That includes stalking people, excessive ganking in open world PvP, and… repeatedly leaving keys…
You still are. Key element is “repeatedly leaving keys”.
And there are only 2 reasons why someone would repeatedly leave keys (not ocasionally):
(A) You treat other people as NPCs and deliberately fail keys because you dont pull your own weight on the group, and blame “PuG world” for that… OR…
(B) You want to deliberately troll strangers on the internet.
Those are the only 2 reasons to deliberately and consistently feel the need to leave keys all the time. Both of which have an easy solution: L2P with other people, or, stop being a jerk.
If you dont qualify for either of them, then you have nothing to worry about.
And also:
It dosent matter if levers are punished or not. It still dosent change the fact that keys are made to be done in a team. So NPCs wont work.
I never heard of M+ leavers getting a suspension till now. If it was like this before then its new to me now.
In my past M+ leaves and I had ALOT of them I did not receive any suspensions, however I did leave only Fail M+ runs that resulted in ongoing wipes and lose of time.
If I’m safe to leave those kind of M+ groups then All is okay,
Also “repeatedly leaving keys” will happen on “repeatedly Fail M+ runs”. So i dont know where Blizzard draws its line of suspension to players. I want safe feauture for me so I don’t become a prisoner to a M+ group that ongoingly wipes.
Why would one want this? Is it purely for the gear upgrades or is it to experience the harder content. For both I would highly suggest joining a guild, a community or go with friends and grow together as a group. It makes the game way more fun and follower dungeons at the moment are already boring from the first experience plus they destroy down further social constructs if they are allowed on higher content.
If you don’t mind for gear upgrades or want to experience harder content, you can already join follower dungeons.
Well you can do delves, and if you really want to do dungeons. Then find a guild, community if you do not want to run pugs. Just leaning into follower dungeons for gear upgrades aren’t what they are meant for.
Only thing I love from this game is M+ dungeons. But the current state of it is so bad, unrewording and chaotic that It made me lose any desire in playing it.
It´s because, contrary to any sort of logic, he and others who did not get banned are now jumping on the bandwagon of flippantly assuming that the exact same bevaviour that was not banworthy up until now is now suddenly banworthy cespite having zero evidence to support this hypothesis, just because people that were leaving runs over and over got hit with the banhammer.
Which I´m starting to think is actually a good thing, because if you´re scared less about this “change”( that isn´t actually one, merely a much demanded enforcfement of rules that have been in place since day 1), then you probably know on some level that you’re not always leaving runs for a good reason… These people deserve to be scared to death, because if they already realize how their behavior might be construed as antisocial, others probably figured it out a long time ago
But, of course, instead of learning from it, considering the actual implications, and possibly pondering minor alterations to one´s behavior “just to be safe”, they of course collectively jump off the deep end and outright demand sweeping changes and the investment of thousands of dollars worth of development time that will allow them to continue to be as toxic and antisocial as they want to in organized group content, by simply removing the people that might call them out on their behavior and replacing them with AI companions.
Honestly, My dbm has only worked for break and pull timers since Aberrus and I still haven`t uppdated it, because these days everything is telegraphed so hard with an emote and /or speech line you practically have to turn your monitor and headset off to miss it. And there´s no need for a 2 minute “stopwatch” when all I have to do is look at the cooldowns of my own skills that I used on pull to know we´re going to enter phase 2 in 15 seconds
Not sayin it´s the correct solution for everyone to just use their eyes and ears, but if those function correctly DBM is merely a reminder, and not a necessity.
IMO people need to learn how to play without addons before being allowed to install them, it would allevialte a plethora of skill issues left and right, i´ve seen so many people perform better when forced to actually use their brain instead of relying on an addon to regurgitate everything for them it´s not even funny.
Because that´s where the problem lies, instead of learning to walk like any normal baby, our “babies” (not meant to be derogatory, but essentially that´s what a new player is, a clueless and easily impressionable blank slate that we can either teach correctly, or teach all the wrong things to, and reap exactly what we ´ve sown a few years later) instead immediately download a set of crutches, DBM+Hekili+Norther Light WA pack, assume that will play the game for them, and as a direct result never learn to walk correctly, and therfore never outgrow the crutches… and then they wonder why they can´t play without them … It´s because they never learned how to play to begin with
Not to mention teh converse, for ex a certain german streamer on Jailer “I have a waeakaura that tells me what to do!”… Then why TF are you doing it wrong every goiddamn time, odi?"
You are making the assumption that the npcs will do their job better than most other players.
Matter or fact is that even IF blizzard implemented this, it would be tuned so that followers would be worse than most players. Just take a look at the follower dungeons, the npcs are pretty bad and slow.
Not that this would be a problem, from my PoV, if blizzard ever introduces such a concept for m+, they WOULD need to make it so that all success and failure lies with the player.
But ofc they won’t. M+ is not designed as a solo activity, and their is no way to implement such a system in current m+.
There has been 1000 posts about this. And I have always said the same thing. You only see half the picture, you only see your POV with out considering what other people see. And by deliberately ignoring that you fail to see that leavers are usually not a problem. They are a symptom of something else.
NOBODY joins a key with the intention of ruining the day for people. Well… not nobody… some people do, and they just got banned.
What usually happens is that something goes wrong in the key and people leave.
And if YOUR keys specifically, something ALWAYS (or “a lot” as you claim) goes wrong and someone leaves… then I start to suspect the problem is the common denominator of the equation: The person complaining about leavers !
But either way. To further go into the point:
If YOU run 100 keys. And you got 100 leavers…
It means that you had 400 random people in those keys. 400 DIFFERENT people, its not the same exact person all the time that is leaving. Leaver usually play 10 keys. 1 of which goes horribly wrong and they leave it. And that is fair.
But if out of 100 players, playing a total of 1000 keys… and 100 times (1/10) those players failed a key its ALWAYS your key… you should not blame others for that. Blame yourself.
See where im going? And WHY blizzard has not changed policy at all and everything will (and SHOULD) stay the same?
If you are repeatedly failing runs you have to either (A) L2P with other people, or (B) you are playing WAY above your difficulty and you should downgrade.
We can argue about UI addons that are used for Spec Rotations/Dot tracking etc because Blizzards UI is absolutely horrendous in every sense of the word. Its up there with the worst UIs in human history.
The only bosses that would fall into this category would be Ovinax and court. And Ovinax boils down to “kick this specific worm every single time in this fixed order”. This is something we did in the past with whisper macros.
Court this would only apply to the dispell since you cant MD on Mythic. Could also be circumvented. You have plenty of time and right now people use the list to dispell late to maximize the dmg up (which isnt required anymore). Debuff stacks from Orbs can be tracked through the regular debuff UI from Blizzard.
Even Ansurek rings are fixed. Order placement doesnt matter and people don’t listen to the assignment anyway if it tells them to run 40y while somebody else is already there anyway. Interrupt adds in P2 on the Range platform fall into the same category. You will never run out of interrupts for the Voidspeaker. P3 placements are fixed.
Nobody cares about the timeline a couple pulls in. And especially not after 200+ pulls that Ovinax and onward required pre nerf.
As for M+ you should watch how the highest keys are done. With their voice coms. And then do them yourself. The addons do not play the game for you.
Or look at Bran. Like jesus christ, I stopped counting how much I have insulted this sorry excuse of an NPC and wanted to just kick him.
Because sometimes failing keys and having leavers is one thing. And is normal.
And by failing I don’t mean “depleting”. I mean a catastrophic wipe (or series of wipes) that literally makes people rage quit on the spot.
In this case there is no problem with leavers. People get emotional, stuff happens, people leave. Big deal. Next key…
So if this is you: Why are you making this post to begin with? Where is the issue here?
HOWEVER…
ALWAYS (or “A lot” as you claim) is another completely different thing. If you got drama in each and every dungeon you do, each time with 4 completely random and different people, and after having passed through 100 random people they are ALL drama queens and fail on everything…
Its so unbelievable I simply suspect something else is a factor for such catastrophic failures. And what is the common factor in those “a lot” of runs? The thing that never changes and is always present ?
up … I´m gonna go make Popcorn, this is gonna be a fun ride 
