so what we do about one healer being complete dog poop and the other one actually has his monitor turned on ? almost every game is 3-3 so basically am stuck in infinite loop of gaining 0 for waiting 30 mins and we have to do some complete giga plays in order to carry the guy who has his monitor off to get at least 1 win with him and even then i get +0 when its 4-2 … what do we do about that ? eventually you will get into a good lobby with both healers using their abilities but thats 1 in 10 and 10x30min average que thats 5 hours so for playing solo shuffle for 5 hours u may or may not gain rating or even lose rating if u are not one of the “meta” specs
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You should try to make his life easier (stay in line, peel, prewall big damage etc), the enemy healers life harder (CC, kicks, hard switches onto him) or reroll a healer and show everyone how it’s done.
Do you have any idea how miserable it feels to play a healer at the moment? If you’re the worst dps in the lobby (and unless you are a r1 glad you will be in some of your games) you can still be carried by your other dps and a good healer.
If you’re a healer that is outskilled and outclassed by the other healer settle in for 6 rounds of losses while people flame you while you’re panicing trying to keep things alive and feeling your nerves shatter.
Unless you can figure out a way to win beyond zugging your way to victory take the L and get over it, and be thankful that someone was willing to queue into that miserable bracket as a healer and give you a game to play and complain about in the first place
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Just git gud. nothing else to say
Ah Yes,
Us bad healers… 90% of the time we are getting left to die… 1 or 2 DPS sit on us while and no-one even bothers to help us out… it’s not Bad, Healers or Bad Dps it’s just …
Zug Zug Orc Mad! Orc Smash… uuuuuhm why i dead i was the Star of Pit! Orc good rest bad!!!
No we need to work as a team at least say something at prep phase like: kill target… but almost never happens.
They just faceplant a pillar, and whisper isult you after the match.
This is why i’m sadly not healing solo’s anymore. Had enough of the hate and toxicity…
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if youre better than your mmr you will manage to win more than 3, at least 1 with the “worse” healer.
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The entire system is borked 100%. I am around 2500 on my DPS which is what I expected to be with my dps character.(matches my usual 2v2/3v3 ratings too, I could get higher, I guess, but 30-60 min queue isn’t fun, so I stopped playing my DPS).
I tried healing on my priest and the fact of the matter is, you gotta have to spam A LOT of games to even get to 2100.
Because 70% of the games are 3:3 because one of the dps (at least one of them) is gonna go 0:6 or 1:5 (if there are two that are bad). Even if you go 4:2 as a healer you gain almost no points. Heck I even had 5:1 rounds where I gained 6 points only.
I constantly get matched with people on like 1100-1300 VERY hardstuck and like 800-1200 shuffles played and still 1200 rating somehow. I mean, you can be bad but THAT bad? And it is like almost everybody on that rating has such stats. And when I am 1400~ and lose to people that are 1200 and have bad MMR, I lose many points. And when I win, I gain like nothing. And you can not come up with the argument “just carry them…” especially when many of those people seem to lose on purpose, because:
There is seriously some wintrading going on (with RMT boosting or not, doesn’t matter actually). I had matches that just proofs this, if you look closer at how people behave and “play”.
I had a lobby with 3 Hunters. One of them did sit afk on stealth not doing anything if one of the other Hunters were not on his team, watching how I got owned by the enemy team and he just watched. But then when he is on the team with the 2nd Hunter he somehow plays normal and tries to win.
Then a Shadow that does NO damage at all when paired without his buddy. Like no damage, 300k damage or smth. Less than the healer. Then when he is paired with his buddy he somehow does insane damage. Weird, huh?
On my DPS I see more and more certain people getting one shot in less than 20 seconds very often without even using any CD to prevent that. This is also kinda weird, that didn’t happen weeks ago on 2200+ and now somehow people flop over for nothing before I can even do 2 casts. How is that even a thing on that rating?
Such things are not a coincidence, there is no way. Because it happens far too often the older the Season gets. This is just an example, but much more such things are going on right now in solo shuffle.
I mean, its really hard to climb as a healer in shuffel. I alsready played my Healer on 2400+ too in 2v2, so It is not like I belong to 1400 rating or anything, I know the game very well and play it since 2005. And I am telling you, there is some weird nonsense going on, at least for healers it is more apparent compared to DPS, even though there are often sketchy things when I play my DPS, too. But not very often.
Edit: Another thing that is going around how boosting RMT services do these pilot rating sells is that they queue 2 chars and leave queue when they don’t get invited, somehow that seems to work, that is the reason why you so often see declines on an invite couple of times in a row. Some others on the forums said that it would be good to leave the queue when this happens, otherwise you will get into a lobby with these wintraders.
I can see this being true, because it is the same nonsense that all these clowns do for random BGs when they join with 2x 5 player groups or even more than 10. The sync their queues and then communicate in voice to enter, or not.
I can also see people abusing this as friends, no RMT/boosting as a goal, but just to overpower the arena as a team with two people. I mean, some clowns lower their rating to 900 just to do these stupid 42:0 games and roll over bad players on 1200 rating and call it fun. So I see these clowns doing this in solo shuffle maybe too, who knows.
I think this needs to be adressed, in normal Arena you can not leave/cancel arena invite because you lose rating if you do. And I am really astonished nobody even talks about it yet, since the Shadowlands boosting bs was annyoing like nothing else.
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Noticed the afk / low damage phenomenon a few times as well. I have no idea how they queue up to get matched together in Shuffles but it seems to be possible in some way.
Few games back i had a shuffle with 2 people from same guild. When facing eachother they acted like some random npc … but teamed up together they went all out… me and the other healer had both 3/3 wins and opposing healer lost 1 rating i gained 1. The dps buddies one had 4 and 3 wins and gained both gained between 250 and 300 ish Rating…
But yeah well yeah i’m going dps in solo noticable more rating gain …
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Yeh right, exactly that. And I also got way more rating gains per win on my DPS compared to my Healer. I get rating gains when I go 4:2 on my DPS sometimes.
On my healer I don’t get anything at all. On my DPS I get like 10-15 points for 6:0 or less when going 5:1. If you count it as 6 single matches, I get less than 1 rating point for 1 win. This never happens on normal 2v2 or 3v3 ladder unless I would be on rank #1 and can’t get matched vs anyone to gain rating from. Better than no rating compared to my Healer but still, the System is broken. Might not be the case for everybody, I guess, but it certainly is for many.
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Have u tried lvl up healer and improve that bracket by yourself ? :GIGAROFL
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- insert the office us gif ( Michael scott )
Thank you!
Yeap, sometimes even a 5/6 win says rating unchanged or +10… but o god a 2/6 = -70 DKP! … I mean rating
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I had matches with my DPS and I swear people win trade 100%. I know something is going on when they completely ignore me ( I play Warlock…) and go to the most unlogical target actually and one shot it (like a Pala and hes not using bubble etc.), or kill it very fast at least, before I can do anything meaningful myself. And everytime, the one killed never used any of his def CDs at all… This happens more and more currently.
Burst classes will be addressed the 24th of January… they wil slowly move to sustained damage. They are currently lowering primary stats and buffing stam… soon fotm burst wintrade will be a lot harder. I think we just need to hang in there
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the pacing will not change very much. with everyone having tier set soon damage wil be a lot higher across the board. The extra 15k health from the trinket set bonus will not change anything. I mean, if people really wintrade, they can lower the overall damage by 70% and they would still be able to do it, if they really want to.
I am just so sick of this cheating nonsense, tired of reporting every time, also based on a guess, because I have no proof. You actually should reportd everybody in a lobby just to be safe, lol. And then Blizzard is not gonna do much about it, maybe in 6-12 months again. This is just stupid.
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That’s a great idea! Blizzard should add a “Report this Shuffle for suspicious activity”-option in the report menu, where you suspect more than just 1 player for doing stuff like wintrading.
It makes it smoother and way less tedious to report players for it.
It increases the chance for people to more consistently report offenses like that, and increases the likelihood of patterns emerging for players who wintrade more than once, which makes them pop out in the amount of times they’ve been reported for it, compared to those who doesn’t cause such suspicions.
This is actually total nonsene. Even top rated players who are well known in the community have these exact same issues in solo shuffle. You can be the best player on the planet, and you will face these issues, too.
Too often did I watch some random stream of a “rank 1” player doing solo shuffle and going out 1:6 or even 0:6 (and some of them are even extremly toxic about it then too…) and not because they suck (how can they suck at the game? wtf… makes no sense to claim that.) but because the people in the lobby are doing effing stupid things that are out of your control, therfore you lose. (or they do wintrading lol…).
dont just charge behind pillars watch where your healer is a lot of the time it’s the dps at fault usually warriors not watching the position of their healer at all and just going zug zug charge behind a pillar
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yes, that happens, but think about it. it wont only happen on your side, and it wont happen in every game. how else do you explain that the exact same players as in normal rated 3v3 ladders are in r1 spots in every solo shuffle ladder? if youre consistenly better than the mmr you play on, you WILL eventually climb. dont blame it on others.
yes and that is my whole point, EVENTUALLY climb. Why are many of those rank 1 players on top? because most of them do nothing but playing WoW 12 hours a day, and they can spam arena all day because streaming money etc. normal people can not sit on their butt with those queue times or the fact that you kinda need to spam millions of games as a healer.
The fact that they have the exact same issues as others just proofs my point. The system is broken. At least with queue times that high. And Healers that have a massive disadvantage compared to DPS in rating gains. These are just facts. I am higher rated, and have these issues. Could I over come them? Sure… but it takes time, as you said… and EVENTUALLY I will oversome it. But that shouldn’t be the case. Just make the system better.
The current iteration of shuffle is just bad, and invites those clowns to RMT pilot boosting and wintrading which is happening right now. (just remember, I do not seek for excuses, I have my rating already… but I am still not as narrow minded as some others here and I can tell you, the System sux.
Also the point about “better than my MMR” is pointless for healers when you always get low rated people. You gain NOTHING out of it when you win, but lose everything. That is the whole issue currently. Do you think that is a good system when you gain less than one point rating for 6 rounds win? how is that even a thing. Healers just get shuffled with random people not on their MMR/rating. On my DPS I get ALWAYS people in the range of my MMR and raing.
i just think youre coping but hey whatever floats your boat. blame everything but yourself for not being able to go higher