Why do you answer to say you aren’t going to dignify it with an answer. Surely if you aren’t going to answer, you … don’t answer.
Because you know it is true lmao. The entire raiding community thrives on the sense of being above others, that is the driving factor for them.
“if I can get my bis gear, get my AOTC and what else have you and parse really well maybe someone will finally pay attention to me and think I am special”
Literally NO ONE raids because they find it inherently enjoyable, they are only interested in extrencic rewards and being able to hold those rewards over others.
My thoughts too 
I won’t ever believe people do this stuff for journey and not for rewards and sense of acomplishment in their lifes ^^
That doesn’t solve the problem of obtaining the bonus or doing content that is not fun for you which is the whole point of the thread. If you just want to raid or you just want to m+ but not both.
Totally not true at all in our guild we m+ for gear but the raids are just pure fun only.
Stopped reading right there.
Don’t use raiders as a scapegoat for every bad design in the game. Do you honestly think raiders are happy with having massive power gated behind an RNG wall?
I am on your point about M+ tiersets and/or the mention of too late having the catalist available. But this statement is the biggest nonsense ever. There are so many guilds just doing normal difficulty and are dipping in heroic, while not needing any item from it. They are doing it for the journey.
And that what is blizzard is saying though and i give them my 100 % support in it. It should be like this. Back when wow launched you even got NO chance in tier sets if you didnt raided and tbh it should be like that.
Back when wow launched raiding was also THE only endgame pve activity. You had two pillars of endgame with raiding and pvp and then they tried adding a 3rd in m+ to appeal to the pve players who were not into raids.
Cant compare wow on launch to current
you perfectly can compare it tbh, also they can easily create 3 Tier sets for each class, for PvP - M+ - Raiding, because its not like those 3 divisions are created by the same developers tbh, so yes you can easily compare it. and it should be locked behind the content you do
No because as I said, raiders only want cool exclusive stuff handed to them and dont actually enjoy the process of raiding or working towards something. In their ideal world blizzard just hands them the stuff as a participation trophy and they can then feel like the most specialest boy in the whole world walking around showing it off
That’s true for about 5% of those who do raids, and they exist in every type of content. Projecting it on all raiders or even a majority is utter nonsense.
No one NO ONE would even waste their breath in forum if blizzard finally add vendors, tokens for tier to just pick up 2 pieces per week.
Crafting orders with the time gated spark are more fun then this rng fiesta every season
Funny cause 5% is like the percent of raiders I have interacted with who actually do it because they enjoy it. the remaining 95% only do it cause they absolutely need to to get gear to flex on non raiders and post their parses to try and flex.
I’m sure that’s true in a place called “your imagination”.
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Believe whatever makes you happy lil buddy.
I don’t think it’s a problem though, especially with the creation catalyst.
When that comes there really won’t be an excuse at all. And why take a permanent solution for a temporary problem?
And you’re not seeing the other problem that this would cause, what if you like both raiding and m+ as most people do, well now you have to farm 2 sets. No thanks, tradeoff not worth it at all.
“have to farm 2 sets” if youre someone who already raids and plays m+ youre just gonna get them through playing the game like you normally would.
Do i seriously have to point out that farming out 2 sets takes way longer than farming one?
And that maybe, just maybe it’s not a great experience for the player?
And why even do it when creation catalyst is a thing?
Please just THINK, use that brain and think please.
How do you people get such awful ideas and not even realize the consequences? Do you really wanna grind more stuff yet again? Did you guys forget what happened the last few times they made it more and more inconvenient to play the game, and alts especially?
It’s fine for pvp, because they are 2 completely different aspects of the game, although i wouldn’t mind having a single tier shared between pvp and pve, but m+ is ALSO PVE. So the argument literally makes no sense when we have a way better alternative.
Laughs in fury warrior tier…i just took it for the ilv.