I get that tier set bonuses are cool, they give raiders something cool to work towards in terms of loot. I only really play m+ due to several reasons but some being that its less of a commitment than raiding, doesnt require strict scheduling (I am playing a game not going to work, I just wanna do stuff when I feel like it) and also not doing super well in large groups on voice call and the like. It just feels really bad that I am getting kneecapped in m+ because I cant get my tier set bonus until all the LFR wings come out. I think either raid tier bonuses should only apply inside of raids (you should be rewarded with stuff that is useful for the content youre doing) or just disable tier sets inside m+ which is more realistic.
It just never feels good being forced into a type of content you dont wanna do to stay competetive in another mode.
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Haha gl with this one.
Get ready for the lens you’re going to get from the community here how do you even think this can work ! There’s absolutely no way! … email me when it gets to the stage where they’re building a wooden cross. Thank you.
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You’re 1600, I don’t think lack of tier sets is making you “uncompetetive”.
Sure, I’d also prefer that they be released earlier, theres too much timegating and I want my shinies. Lets not pretend its holding me back unduly though.
I would be happy if tier bonus only worked in raids
And perhaps a m+ tier bonus that only worked in m+
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I am not saying it is the reason I am not higher atm, I am saying it is putting me at a distinct disadvantage over people who do raid consistently. I dont think there should be items locked behind certain content that massively impacts your performance in other areas of the game. Raid set bonuses should be exclusive to raids or disabled in m+ and potentially give m+ players a tier set equivalent with bonuses only active in m+.
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Thats your problem not game problem.
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Really really stop saying that raiding is = as work, normal raid in VotI takes 2 hours to complete and thats rather slow tbh if you know what to do.
Tier sets especially these ones DONT HOLD you back, some are super lame to say the least. So no it doesnt hold you back.
They are still a pure gain over not having them. Remember how much raiders whine and moan every time they are “forced” to do content other than raiding to be competetive? Yeah thats this situation right here.
Ofc no one raiding admits it because in this case it benefits them. And blizzard are already super biased towards raiders, the more hardcore the better.
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Just like your problem isn’t the one he’s talking about here. So now you can pack your things and go where the sun don’t shine 
You just took a sledgehammer to the head of that pin.
Literally and to the letter between the set gear bonus it gives you and the classic gear you get from m+ there is a hole in the DPS calculations so big that not even what … you get out of your mouth could plug it.
If you have guild that fits your possible rt and is able to complete it. In s1 sl I left my guild which stacked on mythic devouver (3rd boss nafria) because raid leader told me to spec from dc (the most op spec for this boss) to holy while saying “shields are useless, you don’t top off hp with them”. That was guild aiming for mythic. Then I was looking for guild while being pretty free timewise and you can’t even imagine how bad guilds did I see. Ppl were wiping at first heroic bosses at 6th month of nafria. So I’ve been looking for another guilds. I was looking for semi-hardcore guild but had problems with that. Now I have very limited time to play and I can’t even go to normal raid without guilds. I never got any single invite at normals as my wlock and my active time is not for eu evening guilds, I’m mostly working that time. And it’s not option to make raid by myself because I wasn’t here at once. I do m+ groups by myself but it’s not the same as in raid when I need to coordinate my group or it will fall apart (yes I tried and it was awful experience). And I can’t coordinate it if I don’t now meta tactics (I also don’t understand them by reading words. Text doesn’t feel the same like the battle at all). So I’m very frustrated with it at the moment. I can’t clear it in 2 hours if I can’t get into group🥺
Please no, seriously.
Tier sets are fine as they are.
The only thing i would change maybe is allow us to reforge stats. Where you can fully reforge the stat of up to 4 pieces of gear, and those reforges are spec wide, so when you change spec you don’t have to run to the reforge npc and change your stats which is really tedious and doesn’t actually add anything to the game.
Or maybe make tier sets work like enchants that you put on a piece of gear you select. And higher difficulties would reward a slightly stronger effect.
But that’s it.
I don’t wanna see m+ tier sets and raid tier sets and all that stuff.
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They are fine as they are IN the content they are relevant to. I think having raid tier sets offer bonuses for raiding and act as an incentive to boost your performance in raiding is a good thing. I think having your tier set giving you an edge heading into the next raid tier is a valid thing.
I dont think putting people in low lvl m+ dungeons at a disadvantage compared to raiders because they cant/dont want to raid is fair or healthy.
Of course raiders will defend it because it benefits them and they will get their way because blizzard only ever listens to raiders who make up a fraction of the entire playerbase
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You can get tier set from weekly chest. Even if you ran only m+, and it’s actually not that rare for it to happen.
Also, soon enough we will likely have the creation catalyst, hopefully sooner rather than later. Then there is just no excuse at all.
The creation catalyst already solved this problem.
Ok but we are not getting that for another month. There is NO reason it should take that long except blizzard wanting to strong arm more people into raiding and wanting the raiders to feel special for longer.
So you would destroy a cool system because it’s inconvenient for you for a single month?
Look we can agree that the creation catalyst should have come basically immediately, but that’s about it.
How does disabling the bonuses in m+ alone and leaving them untouched everywhere else ruin a cool system lmao.
That is literally just you saying “I want to be blizzards favorite child and if I cant have special treatment its no fun”
It would literally change next to nothing for dedicated raiders and it would make life infinitely better for people who dont raid.
Because it’s awesome to use tier sets in m+ too.
End of discussion.
It is literally only awesome because it puts you ABOVE the people who dont have access to it. If everyone raided and had it you wouldnt care because you wouldnt get to feel validated by flexing your Epeen
I’m not even gonna dignify that a proper answer.
It’s literally below consideration.