SV 4. I need this key. Only done a 3. So i do it and watch gardian druid pull huge on opener, both packs, with a rogue and mage who are not able to stop the fear. So people die. First deaths.
Rogue just dies instantly a couple of times right after pulls indicating he took a lot fo heat and did not mitigate any of it, nor drop the heat with vanish. That kept happening though the dungeon til we got the troublesome duo.
Lot sof people failed to get to safe spot. Pally died the first time on box that corsses the room. We did 3 runs and i said one more cos i died to an orb that chased me from behind.
I get kicked.
I carried their sorry behinds and dragged them through the content and had not died until i was trying to make it to the vent but got an orb from behind. And i get kicked for that.
On top of that i get some nasty message which was cesored so i know it was nasty. SO i reported them. Like that is gonn do a damn thing. The only people in wow that get punished are the ones on the forums here.
You haven’t seen many communities then, probably.
Competetive gaming communities like Shooters, LoL and stuff, WoW’s an innocent little baby compared to them.
I’d hate to pee on your parade, son, but i was most likely playing games since before you were born.
I played the first three large scale public MMO’s that came to the market in the early 90’s.
Before that i was playing MUD’s in grotty caves my friends called their rooms in AOL accounts that charged by the hour. The “game” was text based.
I remember playing games on consoles the sizes of large VCR’s. First gen VCR’s, not the modern versions you might know, if at all. Know what a VCR abreviation stands for? If not then that statement is way over your head.
I was playing games on an old CRT, look it up if you do not know that abreviation, and the game consisted of a single pixel that goes from one side of the screen to the other and you would use a paddle to connect with it and send it back. This was called pong. All in black and white of course, as color televisions were far too expensive at that time.
If you did have telelvision, then it would have a switch on the wall that controlled one of three channels.
Yeah, i am old. Yeah, i know gamers. Yeah,i still stand by my statement that wow players are some of the most obnoxious gits i have ever not had the pleasure of playing with.
Calling them toxic but just straight up assume I’m some late 90s/2Ks born child with no knowledge what so ever is…any better? One of those folks, got it
Anyway:
Welcome to the club, mam/sir grew up in the 80s/90s.
Still not even close to the toxicity of Shooters and LoL and so on. The gaming community in general took a very steep descent in behaviour when it comes to player interaction.
Yes, WoW has some very useless human beings playing this game, but I highly doubt that more than half the runs you do are in any way toxic.
Besides: The way you’re loose mouth let’s your words flow out unflitered, I kind of doubt that it’s always the other participants the reason why a run goes down the drain with someone like your sort of personality.
Considering my age, i can safely assume that i am in the absolute minority of players of this game when it comes to age. Due to my age i can assume a lot. The fact is there are more people below me in age than above me. So this means i am able to assume quite a bit.
You are correct. The vast majority of runs tend to be good.
Probably since nobody says a damn thing to each other. This does not diminish my statement in any way. The bad ones in wow are the worst i have seen. Ive seen, been part of and played many games. But this game, has the fricken worst parts of soceity.
And by that i do not only refer to their words, mind you. Its the behavior as well.
Tht in itself is just an asumptioon on your part. You may have read some of my vitriol here on the forums directed at blizzard and assume that this is the way i behave ingame. That is where you are wrong.
The thing is. I tend not to say a damn thing to another player once ingame. I know what they are like. They can gang up on you if they dont like your mog. They can gang up on your and kick you if you mispell hello. THey can gang up on your and kick you before bosses so they have better chanves at loot. This is why we have certain loot rules now cos of people like them.
That is what i meant about wow playes being the worst on earth. They are freaking nasty people. and deserve nearly no interaction at all. The less said to another randome wow player the better off you will be and this is evident by the amount of people in pugs who say absolutely nothing to one another. Let lone a hello.
A corporate entity who is not a person in real life yet is by law deserves to be talked to like a real person sometimes and that includes anger and love. I give both. These days i mostly spew acid their way as they are deserving of it due to their practices, the way they treat their customers and the ay their game is turctured about getting money.
I think an issue is also that Blizzard tries so hard to force esports into wow, and the game design resulting from it only creates salt-swamps with toxic people. Wow is just not suited for this type of content, and the playerbase does not fit to this. For example keys: What is even the point? MDI? Who cares? How much % of M+ players give a flying spaghetti about MDI? They just want big gear from easily accessible Dungeon content, that’s it, let’s be honest. I’ve never met a M+ player so far, who had a genuine sports-mentality. Maybe one, and I’ve added them to battlenet, because I like positive people in my groups. I think I’m the closest myself, I’ve seen, and I’m against it I think Wow players overall are too extrinsically and outcome motivated, so the game design that Blizzard tries to establish is not healthy for them.
This you can not, that is just the same way not ok like other forms of “toxicity”, when you’re already talking about “toxic behaviour”.
And you feeling the urge to “agesplain” (what word did I just create there ) yourself, how you grew up with C64, Atari, what not, although this has no value for this converstaion whatsoever just gives a feeling of what a nasty person you seem to be to talk to in RL.
Yes, stuff like these posts do pretty much show what kind of personality one has when it comes to serious topics.
And yes, of course you will disagree on this, but whatever
Good.
Nah, if they’d talk they’d be pretty “Hi, thanks, bye” because there is not much more use of talk if a run goes without issue.
Human beings tend to start talking in situations like this when? Exactly: When something is going wrong. And that is no WoW issue.
The thing here is:
You are mixing up human society with the WoW playerbase.
Humanity is at a bloody deep dark state when it comes to social interactions with strangers, especially in the internet.
Everybody is the bloody god of their trait and everybody else is just a huge inconvenience they have to deal with. This general behaviour is getting worse by the year. In anything but “only WoW”.
This counts for the rest of your post, too.
Not talking because you assume most people you deal with will be of the negative kind is you just becoming part of the problem of the lack of communication ingame.
No, you will not be surounded by
This kind of people if you interact with people nicely. Not even in PUGs.
It has been said more than enough in the forums, that the majority of people in M+ are just normal people running and that’s it.
The issue with nobody talking is mainly because people just don’t see the point in saying Hi in the n-th dungeon, where everybody is just there to just get it done quickly and move on.
You can basically compare this to going shopping and checking out.
You might say hello there, but how many people just go in, get their stuff, check out and move on without a single word?
You can talk normally to the gross of WoW players, yes even in M+,but most just won’t asnwer because it’s just what it is: An automated, brain AFK run you do day in day out (depending on the key level, of course).
Yes, i can. Statistically speaking, nearly everyone who plays this game is below me in age. The percentage of people that are above me in age, is so small it falls within the laws of probability that i am correct in saying that most are below me. Its math.
So, yeah, i can safely assume that most individuals playing wow are below me in age. Those who are my age and above tend not to act like maniacs anyway, as testosterone is long gone so it wont be a driving factor in aggressive human behavior.
It is usually only younger people that are aggressive like that and act on impulses rather than rational thought.
I did say , usually, mind you. This facet of human behavior, un-restrained aggression, can be found in all ages but tends to manifest itself in the young, more than the old.
I like that. Age comes with certain benefits. We are not longer driven by hormones, unlike the young. We tend to think more than act. Notsayign the yound dont, but once again, they tend to do so.
I never said that. Dont put words in my mouth.
You have no idea what a person i am in rela life. You have never talked to me in real life. You dont know me in real life. You attempt to berate me for assumptions yet are doing not thing but that in your conversation with me.
Stuff like what posts? This one? Where i state that i got kicked for dyign after darggin people though a dungeon when i did nto talk to them? That post?
I dont want to bust your bubble here but the people that play wow, are also part of human soceity. What else could they be? Aliens?
Come on now. Start talking rational sense here or we are done with this conversation, as i dont talk to people who think out of space aliens play this game.
Gonna have to asume something here due to the naure of your output. I can only assume due to me not fulyl understanding the nature of your statement, that you mean to say that everybody thinkls they are a good player and that nobody else is at fault.
Did i get that right?
I am not the best player. There are players that are far better than me. Unless i reach the top that will always be the case.
When i do keys, i do keys that i know i can do. I dont apply to keys that are way over my head. I know what my limits are. Ive done M+ since it came out in late legion. I started taking them pretty serious in BfA/Sl and dropped off in DF.
I know and can see as healer, when people are doing keys that are way above their skill level and ability.
You can see these events in all dungeon levels from normal to HC to M+. You dont need to be able to do a 20+ key to have an opinon on who does not belong there. You can come to that determination on a nomral dungeon.
So when i see this, or anybody else does, for that matter, then it is obvious that they are not really comfortable in teh dungeon. They are missng interupts. They are not getting the right targets first. They dont even stand in the right places during certain phases of the encounter.
Yes, during certain phases of certain dungeons you have to stand in a certain place to be ready for an event. If you dont stand in that place you wont make it in time to avoide a certain mechanic.
If you ever did high keys in this dungeon and would not be ready for this event then you would get one shot.
So if people are not ready for this event by being in a position to avoid it then i know they are above their heads. Tank and i as healer are there waiting for it. Where is the dps?
So, yeah, i reserve the right to make certain judgements when it comes to peopel that fail there. S would you.
Blame all those who kicked me for mogs, who kicked me cos i mispelled hello and those who stole my loot. I am a cynic. Sue me.
Pessimists are to be burned at the stake now? Blame your bretheren who made me this way.
Absolutely and i already agreed with you on this. Can you blame me for losing it when i run into bad people?
Mind you, as healer the last two months have not been nice and if you think i am the only healer who thinks this way, then you are wrong.
M+ participation numbers are in the dumps and on a very sharp downward trajectory indeed. Very quicky. If this trend keeps going then there will be nothing but hardcores left and no keys below 10 left to see.
Oh, wait. There are no lower than 10 keys now, right? We start at 10. What a fine mess blizzard made. Yeah, that is sarcasm. Know what that is?
I thought you said that the whole of wow is one big happy family and everybody talk to one another? Realy? What am i missing here?
Yes. But do we want WoW to turn the exact same way? Because it will soon at this rate. Difficulty and competition breed toxicity and rage, it’s human nature. If there was voice activation commonly used by the community in WoW (thank God it’s not) as is in LoL and DOTA or CS, then we would quickly realise the community is really not that much better than those other ones you referred to. But it can and will get worse if this mindless key push does not come to a stop.
I got mass reported last night for removing a bugged NPC from the AH where some attention seeking manchild had kited it
Asking other players to send false reports for me “game play sabotage” while they are using an in game exploit to grief AH users /facepalm
(I’m not banned yet, I’m going to do it again when the kite another one, it’s too much fun removing it)
Playing SOD a couple weeks ago players where openly asking for people to report those in their own teams trying to WIN ie capping base’s and not afkling because Blizz increased the honor gains/marks for losing a match so it became the “meta” to fast loose for maximum honor gains while minimum/zero effort.
Screw those that wanted to PVP basically.
What counts as toxic for one person is fresh air for another I guess
Terrified to think what these types think “love” means
Wow is pretty toxic/easily open to abuse/ with poor customer service which increase’s these issues IMO.
See the issue here? You saying “Due to my age I can assume quite a bit” after already seperatly mentioning you’re older than most of the players does not imply, that you solely mean you are older than most of WoW players with that sentence, it implies that you can assume “a lot/quite a bit” on top of the fact you’re older than most, just because you’re older. Wording.
Well, how you talk in this thread is you in RL, so it’s not really an assumption to how you talk in RL.
No, not just your opening post…
HUH?! Wah? Come on now, you are raging about WoWs playerbase is the most toxic and I corrected that to that it’s not a WoW issue but a general society issue. WoW is no more toxic than the rest of our society, and other games are way more toxic.
No, not at all…
Everyone thinks they are the best at what they do and out of their perspective everybody else they have to interact with with is just a huge hinderence they are forced to deal with.
No, but losing it because of crappy human behaviour towards you and slamming the “Most toxic entitys” stamp onto the WoW playerbase are two different things.
Toxic humans playing are our game, but WoW players are not the most toxic.
That is a very immature and ripped from reality, espacially from someone claiming to be oh so:
…rational…
Yes, of course we don’t want it to become liek that. And here we are at the sad truth of reality.
Society has become so friggin’ fast paced, of course this woul’d’ve, and will in the future, negativley affect gaming communities and game dev companies adjusting to the communities.
WoW will continue to suffer from this evolution, just as any other (big) game, and it is sad to watch this without being able to do anythng against it.
This is just how reality is evolving, and I hate it.
Playing this game for 2 decades I’ve learned the importance of when you play over the internet with randoms behind a computer not to care so much what people think of you. Even less than irl.
Maybe just there are sometimes something about their criticism you can keep in mind and to improve.
The players that points fingers often are the once that gets the most annoyed when someone points a finger at them about their behavior and game play.
When someone is rude to me I just point things out myself before I ignore them and move on with my life.
It means that due to my age, which is well above the average age of a wow player, i can assume that i am older than most people who play this game.
What part of that sentence do you not understand?
It’s an easy math problem. You should be able to undrestand that if you are >50 then mostly likely all around you are <50. Greater than, less than. Math. Statistics. In all likelyhood i am older than most players of wow, here we go again, due to my age whcih is well above teh average age of the agerage wow player.
It is not rocket science you know. The only thing i am assuming, is the fact that i am older than most who play wow. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
This is me writing on some forum. Yeah, that is all.
And so far i am going in circles with somebody who cant read and cant comprehend simple concepts.
Gaslighting now? For real?
I dont need to be corrected since my statement is valid in my eyes. I should ideally have posted that SOME of wow’s players are the most toxic i have ever seen in 40 years of gaming.
But the fact remains, Wow playes are toxic. Other players in other games are toxic as well. But for me its wow players who are the most toxic and there is not one thing you can say or do to change that fact.
Cool. That is your opinion. Not mine.
I did get the premise of that conversation then.
You were implaying that i think i am the bees knees, top dog and better than others and all around me suck.
If that were the case then i would not be stuck in 611 gear doing 5’s now would i?
But, once again, as healer i do notice when people fail to do mechanics in a 4 when i did 15’s in SL.
When you get to a certain skill level and see others not able to keep pace it become obvious.
So when i point this out i am all of a sudden elitist scum? Get real. Seriously.
Once again. I should have written SOME wow players. Already touched this. Not doing it again
And you say i have issues talking with people? Look in the mirror my friend. lol. Ive been rational and sane. You?
I think Wow players overall are too extrinsically and outcome motivated, so the game design that Blizzard tries to establish is not healthy for them.
) yourself, how you grew up with C64, Atari, what not, although this has no value for this converstaion whatsoever just gives a feeling of what a nasty person you seem to be to talk to in RL.
